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Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Most businesses, consumers, and developers universally continue to ignore the primary reason that iMessage is a closed platform, rather than an app on every platform as iTunes is: Apple is using device serial numbers for anti-spam, supported by a fully-authenticated hardware and software stack that does not allow user modification. This permits Apple to simply “console ban” any Apple device that spams on iMessage. Th…

How does unmodified software relate in any way to the ability to console-ban bad actors? It's apple's servers, apple's accounts, and apple's devices. They are perfectly capable of burning a private key into the fuses of every device they sell, keeping a revocation list, and requiring a valid signature from an unrevoked key to log in and send messages. You can't get around that with any quantity of homebrew or custom software. Same reason that you don't see spam on Nintendo Switch games - if Nintendo bans your hardware you're not getting back online unless you buy a new Switch, and that's enough of a cost to make spam uneconomical. You can't do that with Android because maintaining a single revocation list across many manufacturers would be impossible - or because Google would have to host it and they'd get mobbed by angry HNers frothing at the mouth about their privacy - but Apple is totally capable of it and already gets a free pass on whatever walled garden shenanigans they can imagine.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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> I'd rather live in a world with spam than a world where corporations get to decide what I run on my devices, and cripple a bunch of critical applications if I decide I want to, y'know, actually do whatever I want with the hardware I own. It’s really oppressive that Apple doesn’t let you install WhatsApp, Secret, Telegram, FB Messenger or any other communications app beyond their own. While it’s all sweetness and li…

Defaults matter. I too have WhatsApp, Signal, Google Chat and a few others on my phone, but the fragmentation is annoying to deal with, and getting social groups (or even individuals) to move to a single consolidating messaging platform turns out to be much more difficult than I expected. If the default chat app is featureful and universally supported, people tend not to stray toward non-default alternatives unless t…

Matrix solved federated messaging already

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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This is a complete non-issue. I have no idea why people are complaining about this, except as another way in which Android users are trying to force their ecosystem choices on everyone else. The majority of people globally don't even use built-in messengers, they use WhatsApp or a similar application, most of which uses similar stylistic design choices as Apple uses for SMS, so it's hardly an issue. I'm well aware th…

> This is a complete non-issue. No it's not. iPhones intentionally don't support modern cellular messaging. There's nothing wrong with insisting they support LTE spec (RCS), like every modern smartphone does. > The majority of people globally don't even use built-in messengers, they use WhatsApp or a similar application, Completely unrelated. This discussion has nothing to do with iMessage / WhatsApp / etc. The probl…

This is an incredibly disingenuous way to describe this. They support SMS as a fallback for iMessage. SMS is a ubiquitous and broadly supported standard. RCS is a boondoggle that nobody supported until recently when Google decided to add support for it to Android in yet another attempt at building their own messaging platform. There is no rational reason to take offense that iPhones don't support RCS.

I re-iterate, this a complete non-issue. The way you are phrasing it is incredibly biased.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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They are coincidences since these units were created well before modern cars, but they seem to have been created with reasonable relations to human constraints, instead of water.

Everything you said about temperature is 100% true. Fahrenheit is simply better for day to day use. I disagree with you about distance measurements. I think the relationship between millimeters, centimeters, and meters is so much better than the relationship between 1/8th inch, an inch, and a foot, that it makes up for the convenience of traveling roughly one mile per minute on the freeway.

I'm "split" on small lengths. Inches and feet were designed to divide nicely into many things, like 1/3, but the conversion is a little bothersome. Sub-inch measurements are usually expressed in fractions instead of decimals. Decimal inches are an option, but I guess that doesn't match the theme. So it's a matter of whether you want to do things in fractions or decimals, and one is probably better, but I can't tell which.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Unfortunately they did implement WebP support in WebKit…

Just wondering, why "Unfortunately"?

I’m not the person you replied to, but personally I really hate Google‘s tendency to create their own “standard” and then just shove it down everyone’s throat because they’re so ridiculously big and important.

Speedy and WebP were two examples. RCS already existed (I believe) but basically every single carrier has dragged their feet on it to the point of doing almost nothing (at least in the US) so now Google is basically running the entire thing through their network just to get it to work for their customers because carriers are incompetent/indifferent/directly opposed.

But I doubt that last part was listed in the article.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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> I'm in my 50s and I have zero problems reading green bubbles Besides the other issues... as soon as I heard that adolescents and teens (i.e., hyper-self-conscious, wanting group acceptance, figuring out social status) would be appearing differently in chats with schoolmates, based on whether they used Apple or non-Apple... that sure is a way to sell them Apples.

Some teens buy old and cheap iphones that aren't really useable. And then they leave them plugged in at home and forward the messages to their Android device. Just so that they show up as a blue bubble on their friends phones.

Status obsessions of teens should not be a serious consideration in how messaging communications work.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Neither SMS, nor RCS, have built-in end-to-end encryption — and both should die a quick and timely death. iMessage to use end-to-end encryption, but it’s not open, and should also die. What messaging needs is an open modern standards, nothing more, nothing less.

RCS on Signal/Android does: https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf

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These days it’s good marketing to blame Apple for everything. First, RCS is not a very modern or practical standard. It was created in 2008 by carriers (GSMA!!) for their SMS/MMS centric (at the time) platforms. So is it a good idea to adopt this more than a decade later? I don’t think so. Second, it’s really not Apple’s fault that Google has failed to come up with a messaging solution. Google has released 13 separat…

>First, RCS is not a very modern or practical standard. It was created in 2008 by carriers (GSMA!!) for their SMS/MMS centric (at the time) platforms. So is it a good idea to adopt this more than a decade later? I don’t think so. Is a standard from the 90s acceptable then? Do we say Apple shouldn't migrate to USB-C since it's old-ish? A standard being around a long time is a good thing, but when a better one comes al…

The point of that specific complaint is that the market has evolved significantly since RCS was first created. Things we now take for granted were not built into the standard because they didn’t exist.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Surprised the awful videos from platform to platform aren't highlighted more in the comments here. It's cleary Apple nerfing the video to make it look bad. The site's top video goes over it. It's awful.

> It's cleary Apple nerfing the video to make it look bad. The site itself contradicts that claim. From the FAQ (emphasis added): > When people with iPhones and Android phones text each other, Apple relies on SMS and MMS, outdated systems that cannot support large media files . That means photos and videos are often compressed and come through blurry. The severity varies by location and carrier based on compression a…

> Apple relies on SMS and MMS

This is the whole point. Apple chooses to fall back to an outdated system instead of one that supports higher quality media files.

And that's just one of the ways they provide a worse quality experience for everyone involved in a cross platform group chat.

There is really no reason for them to do that, except to force people onto Apple if they want to be part of group conversations with most Americans.

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This is a US thing, right? Haven't received an SMS from a real person (in other words, all SMSes I get are 2FA etc) for, at least 5 years, maybe 10. Even people who use iPhones don't send SMSes, MMSes or anything as obsolete (including RCS). Everyone just seems to use WhatsApp and Telegram (or if they don't know any better, Viber). Locale: Central Europe. So, why would anyone stick to the obsolete stuff? Are there re…

South East Asia has tons of SMS spam, WhatsApp spam, Telegram spam and basically spam.

SMS not in used a lot in Europe doesn't mean the world is not using it.

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