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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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I don't care how fast M1 is if it can't run my 32-bit x86 Windows programs. It may as well not exist.

It can though, if you install the ARM build of Windows (in a VM), which translates instructions like Rosetta 2 does: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/overview#suppor....

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Since this is Hacker News and a lot of people here runs Linux, I want to remind everybody to hold your horses before you tested Linux on these machines. The machine that I'm currently using comes with a Ryzen 6800H CPU and LPDDR5-6400 RAMs, made by Lenovo. On Linux, the builtin keyboard don't work because of IRQ problems (See [1], a fix is also available at [2]), and it constantly spams out "mce: [Hardware Error]: Ma…

My AMD Gen 1 has been nothing but trouble under Linux. But it's not CPU, it's Lenovo. Lenovo has terrible firmware team.

I'm on T14 Gen 1 AMD with Fedora with the latest BIOS for the past 2 years and hasn't really experienced any issues. Perhaps I'm missing something here. Care to elaborate?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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How is 12th gen compared to 10th gen, in your experience? My XPS 13 on a 10th gen i7 just becomes absolute syrup on battery, even if I put it in high performance mode.

I have an XPS 17 with 12th gen and it drains around 50% battery per hour on a zoom call. edit: My laptop has a i7-12700H, which uses more power than the cpu in the framework laptop. More thoughts: The laptop is pretty much always plugged in. When I'm out I carry a little 60W charger with me. However for other reasons I wouldn't recommend the XPS 17. I have a Lenovo legion 7 at home that I'm more happy with (cheaper,…

I had similar numbers on my i9 MBP.

Last week, on my M1 MBP, I spent an hour in a Teams (Electron!) call while off power and battery went from 99% to 96%.

Intel needs to match that to even be in the game for portables IMO.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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I travel a lot. That’s going to be increasing by the end of the year as my wife and I live the digital nomad life flying across the US. The freedom of not having to worry about your battery life for a day of real world use is amazing. I’ve only had that over the years with an iPad before ARM Macs. Not to mention your laptop not getting hot enough to boil eggs or sounding like a 747 when you open too ,any Chrome tabs.

When depending on solar it’s pretty important to be low power, m1 drawing 10-20 watts vs something else drawing 60-80 can make a big difference on batteries

The reality distortion field of apple fans is really getting out of hand. Portable laptops (i.e. not the desktop substitude game machines) have not been using 60W for years. In fact my X1 from 2016 typically shows between 6 and 15W in powertop depending on load and has been lasting >8h on linux (it's less now as the battery has aged a bit).

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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An even cooler thing is that since the mechanicals are all published, anyone can actually make their own relatively easily, like this Framework Tablet: https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/wgzwv1/two_big_d... * https://github.com/whatthefilament/Framework-Tablet * https://www.instructables.com/Framework-Tablet-Assembly-Manu...

Let me just get the tooling set up on the dining room table, I am sure my spouse won’t mind …

You're not allowed to have hobbies or tinker around? :(

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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I have an XPS 17 with 12th gen and it drains around 50% battery per hour on a zoom call. edit: My laptop has a i7-12700H, which uses more power than the cpu in the framework laptop. More thoughts: The laptop is pretty much always plugged in. When I'm out I carry a little 60W charger with me. However for other reasons I wouldn't recommend the XPS 17. I have a Lenovo legion 7 at home that I'm more happy with (cheaper,…

I had similar numbers on my i9 MBP. Last week, on my M1 MBP, I spent an hour in a Teams (Electron!) call while off power and battery went from 99% to 96%. Intel needs to match that to even be in the game for portables IMO.

The M1/M2 laptops are so above and beyond anything from AMD and Intel that it’s almost a joke. If Apple was really smart and had enough supply, it could drop the price down a couple of hundred dollars and completely take over the laptop market.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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If you are using a game engine like Unity you should not worry at all. If you need to access Windows specific APIs, of course it is a different story. A Macbook is a perfect machine for developers: you can build for android and iOS, has a great screen, perfect touchpad, finally fixed keyboard and ports.

I use Godot at the moment, but have been experimenting with frameworks like Bevy and the like. I doubt I need immediate access to windows specific api as I currently work on Fedora without any issues, though from what your saying it sounds like you mean more mobile-game dev than desktop. To be honest the last time I used a mac was I think a decade ago so they're just so unknown to me at the moment, but everyone else…

I mean Unity in general for desktop and mobile. Mentioned exporting to android and iOS as an extra benefit.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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M2 is faster. Faster ST, GPU, video editing, AI and at significantly lower power. It loses on MT but that's because we don't have the M2 Pro/Max yet. M2 is just the entry-level SoC being compared to Intel's very best. Also, try running the benchmarks unplugged. Intel's performance will instantly drop by 25 - 50%. M2 will stay exactly the same.

I don't disagree with you that M2 is more efficient, but let's not move goal posts after saying "Performance wise, the M2 is still faster.".

I didn't move the goal post.

M2 is faster in ST, GPU, AI, and video editing. It's slower on MT. To me, the M2 is overall faster. Especially when unplugged which will cause Alder Lake to significantly drop in performance.

What is your definition of faster?

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