I've been drooling over the framework laptops for a while now, can't wait until they're available in Japan.
How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#52The mainboard is really great. I’m reminded of the i9 NUC “compute element” and I’m disappointed Intel hasn’t really done anything more innovative in these kinds of form factors. Seems like they could easily standardize a swappable module like this for laptops and small computers.
https://hardwarecanucks.com/wp-content/uploads/Intel-NUC-9-E...
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe, but 4-5 hours is solidly the point at which it doesn't matter at all to me. I haven't had trouble finding an outlet for years, even at airports, planes, coffeeshops, etc.
I travel a lot. That’s going to be increasing by the end of the year as my wife and I live the digital nomad life flying across the US. The freedom of not having to worry about your battery life for a day of real world use is amazing. I’ve only had that over the years with an iPad before ARM Macs. Not to mention your laptop not getting hot enough to boil eggs or sounding like a 747 when you open too ,any Chrome tabs.
The freedom of running Docker on a laptop without heating it to 60c is too tempting, unfortunately. My Macbook will get 2-3 hours of battery life over my Thinkpad, but my Thinkpad also doesn't burn my palms with regular use. It's a game of tradeoffs, but I rarely find myself reaching for the Macbook if I've got a desktop close by.
Maybe that's a skewed perspective though. I have yet to try the Pro/Max chips seriously (or the mobile 12th gen chips, incidentally), but I don't really find myself pining for them either. If my laptop is too limiting, I hop on Tailscale and dev on my desktop.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#55For "Linux kernel compilation speed" they have compared a 16 GB model with 64 GB model for achieving 102.60% improvement! It's so funny =)
Yes, we intended to do an apples to apples comparison, but didn’t find the necessary units on hand when writing the post.
Saying that you intended to do something, and in the same breath that you were subsequently unable to do said thing, because you couldn't find what was required is very discouraging for a prospective customer.
Also, "benchmarking" dissimilar systems comes across as marketing scam, scammy marketing, appealing to the deceivable, which some might view as reprehensible
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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#56For "Linux kernel compilation speed" they have compared a 16 GB model with 64 GB model for achieving 102.60% improvement! It's so funny =)
Would increasing the RAM really make that big a difference in terms of kernel compilation time? It feels to me that 16GB should be plenty for any sort of caching that will speed things up.
I don't know about Linux compilation but... We build software written in cpp on macOS/Windows (clang/msvc).
As there are compilation units, translation of addresses, linking, etc.
Memory AND storage takes important part. While CPU might be "idle" in some parts.
For big projects especially, memory and storage speed would be important for proper benchmarking.
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#58I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.
Is there any other ARM processors in Apple's M1 class of performance? I haven't kept up with progress on the CPU front.
Really the only ones in my opinion who have a chance is nvidia since they have the experience and know how to deliver chiplets on cutting edge processes. They’ve been working on arm cores in the past. It might be several years but I’d be surprised if they don’t try once Qualcomm’s exclusive deal with windows ends
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
unfortunately? as in no competition to drive progress?
It’s not drive. Just investment. There is no demand for high performance desktop/laptop ARM CPUs outside Apple. Chromebooks are mostly low price, and may lack the software to truly push the chips often (without dropping into dev mode). Windows on ARM seems to be a near failure. Very little native software and x86(-64) emulation is far slower than Rosetta. May not matter, they seem to be low cost machines anyway. Linu…
> Windows on ARM seems to be a near failure. Very little native software and x86(-64) emulation is far slower than Rosetta.
I'm very happy with my SP X running insider Windows 11 and WSL2. You couldn't pry it from my dead fingers for travel use right now.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#60The coolest thing isn't just the cpu upgrade, but that the whole mainboard is something like a standard. Other laptops have weird shaped boards just for that one model. If this 'standard' takes off it could start an entire ecosystem of modular hardware. That's exciting. I'm hoping for a 'Framework surface', a 'Framework tv', a 'Framework 400', etc.
An even cooler thing is that since the mechanicals are all published, anyone can actually make their own relatively easily, like this Framework Tablet: https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/wgzwv1/two_big_d...
* https://github.com/whatthefilament/Framework-Tablet
* https://www.instructables.com/Framework-Tablet-Assembly-Manu...