Maybe I'm spoiled, but it feels like an article like this would have turned out way better if they contracted Michael Larabel from Phoronix to do an in depth benchmark run with both versions of the laptop comparing multiple type of workloads, temperature, performance per watt (or if they would have used the full Phoronix test suite themselves). Although there is nothing wrong with the current one, it feels a bit... shallow on details.
How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#152I don't care how fast M1 is if it can't run my 32-bit x86 Windows programs. It may as well not exist.
Good for you?
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Performance wise, the M2 is still faster.
It isn't https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i7-12700h-v...
M2 is faster. Faster ST, GPU, video editing, AI and at significantly lower power.
It loses on MT but that's because we don't have the M2 Pro/Max yet. M2 is just the entry-level SoC being compared to Intel's very best.
Also, try running the benchmarks unplugged. Intel's performance will instantly drop by 25 - 50%. M2 will stay exactly the same.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#154I don’t like that we call it 12th Gen Intel. It would be more correct to just call it the 12000 series Intel. Intel didn’t change CPU generations from 6000-10000 series, they’re all the same generation. Just because the years advance and they refresh their products with increased product numbers doesn’t mean that they’re a new generation of products.
Aside from being pedantic, why is this relevant? I'm sure most people that care enough know that it isn't Intel's 12th generation.
It breaks where generations and numbers mix. While 12xxx and 12xx are Alder Lake, 11xxx is Rocket Lake (based on Ice Lake) and 11xx is Tiger Lake. 10xxx is based on Skylake, 10xx is Ice Lake. That’s where it’s misleading.
The number is only a product number that shows the approximate year of release for these mixed product lines.
Because of this, you can’t say things like “compared to the previous generation” any more. 12xxx is two generations newer than 11xxx. 10xxx is the same generation as 9xxx.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#155In a laptop, I care far more about battery life and the fan noise. However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. It's not that Intel is bad, it's still pretty great but in the age of M1 I wish Intel released a processor with similar power consumption. I use my Intel i5-1240p with turbo boost disabled when on battery. Here's the geekbench with TB d…
Note that Cinebench R23 (the main CPU benchmark we use) runs for 10 minutes, so it’s a measure of sustained performance. Boost (PL2) is typically 30 seconds or less with a long period after that of staying at the PL1 limit.
Also note that Cinebench R23 is a terrible general purpose CPU benchmark. It uses Intel Embree engine which is hand optimized for x86. It heavily favors CPUs with many slow cores even though most people will benefit from CPUs with fewer, faster cores.
Cinebench is a great benchmark if you use Cinema4D, which I asumme 99.99% of the people buying these laptops won't use. Cinema4D is a niche of a niche.
Geekbench is far more representative of what kind of performance you can expect from a CPU.
https://reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/pitid6/eli5_why_does_...
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn't https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i7-12700h-v...
M2 is faster. Faster ST, GPU, video editing, AI and at significantly lower power. It loses on MT but that's because we don't have the M2 Pro/Max yet. M2 is just the entry-level SoC being compared to Intel's very best. Also, try running the benchmarks unplugged. Intel's performance will instantly drop by 25 - 50%. M2 will stay exactly the same.
I don't disagree with you that M2 is more efficient, but let's not move goal posts after saying "Performance wise, the M2 is still faster.".
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#157Cool, now compare it to an M2
From the Cinebench scores in the linked post vs some M2 benchmarks, the M2 (score of 1695) is comparable to the bottom tier 12th gen Framework in the single core benchmark (framework scores: [1691, 1723, 1839]. On the multi-core benchmark, the M2 is significantly worse- 8714 vs [9631, 10027, 11076]. The main advantage of the M2s is probably battery life.
Cinebench is a terrible benchmark and heavily favors CPUs that have many slow CPU cores.
Also, Cinebench is not optimized for ARM instructions.
If you are buying a computer to use Cinema4D or gaming, Intel and and AMD will be better. If you're buying a computer to do just about everything else, then Apple is better.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#158Ryzen 5800U and 6800U are even better than its predecessors in terms of MT performance and graphics.
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is M1 for game dev? I've been thinking of getting one for my own personal laptop, but have had a few concerns, mostly just due to the issues of building software on a totally different platform to the majority of your target users (which'll be Windows, x86). I used to have some compatibility worries but I'd guess they've gone away now.
If you are using a game engine like Unity you should not worry at all. If you need to access Windows specific APIs, of course it is a different story. A Macbook is a perfect machine for developers: you can build for android and iOS, has a great screen, perfect touchpad, finally fixed keyboard and ports.
I use Godot at the moment, but have been experimenting with frameworks like Bevy and the like. I doubt I need immediate access to windows specific api as I currently work on Fedora without any issues, though from what your saying it sounds like you mean more mobile-game dev than desktop.
To be honest the last time I used a mac was I think a decade ago so they're just so unknown to me at the moment, but everyone else seems to love them so I'm quite tempted
Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?
#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly. Not just 1 model but you can compare identical ThinkPad models as well and AMD versions have significantly better battery life. Not only that, even last year's identical models with 11th Gen Intel CPUs have better battery life than their new 12th Gen models. So Intel's power efficiency actually decreased compared to last year, even though they introduced the hybrid architecture. In some instances Alder Lake…
These numbers are usually lower in real life There are data sheets and then there is real life. People were raving about AMD laptops before. I got a ThinkPad T14 AMD with a 4750U. The stated psref battery life is MobileMark 2014: 14 hr, MobileMark 2018: 11.5 hr. In practice that was more like 7 hours on Windows (with a mild workload) and 3 hours on Linux. The CPU performance was merely ok and I could get the fans blo…
I'm also on a fully-specced T14 Gen 1 AMD with the same CPU (4750u) and I get a full day's use out of it under Fedora 36. And CPU performance is way more than OK for my use-cases. I'm curious what you were doing with it.