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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by lhl »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #34
mmmeff wrote: post #21

Cool, now compare it to an M2

Cool, now show me upgrading your M1 to an M2.

A YouTuber, Luke Miani, gave it a try recently. Of course it doesn't work, but it was interesting to see that mechanically everything fits and the chassis is of course practically identical, but it doesn't work because FU that's why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_jckhYfGBw

No surprises there. Apple also firmware locks the swappable storage modules on the recent Mac Studio: https://www.engadget.com/mac-studio-ssd-software-lock-211410... No repairs or upgrades for their customers.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by philliphaydon »

I’m rather disappointed in 12th Gen for mobile. I have a AMD 5800h Lenovo laptop and a 12700 Dell. The dell stutters, fans spin, etc. the Lenovo is just rock solid and fast. Never stutters or slows down. Fans spin up only when playing games.

I wish framework would do an AMD laptop. But Linus put them in touch with AMD and they done nothing.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by nrp »

Dunedan wrote: post #74
nrp wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, we intended to do an apples to apples comparison, but didn’t find the necessary units on hand when writing the post.

Why didn't you just move the 16GB of RAM from the 11th Gen model to the 12th Gen model? Both use DDR4 after all, don't they?

Two different people on the team running the benchmark at two different locations (the challenges of being remote-first). To be clear, had we prioritized it, we could have built two equivalent systems for this benchmark at one site. However, we are mostly focused on building products, so most of our blog posts end up being someone having a interesting topic to discuss and pulling together data and assets we have on hand or can create quickly for it.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ddorian43 »

wodenokoto wrote: post #77

After Apples announcement of M1, I feel like it is mandatory for such a laptop test to discuss power per watt and for how long you can game on the 11 vs 12th gen processor. I also feel like it is worth mentioning that 12th gen laptop is priced ~ $150 over the 11th gen. If you're coding against an online build system and 11 last an extra hour (or whatever), it's a no-brainer to stick with the old one.

You can't game on M1 or Mac AFAIK

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ZuLuuuuuu »

kcb wrote: post #18
nominusllc wrote: post #2

I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.

I've played with an AMD 6800u laptop and I would say it's the ideal x86 laptop chip right now. Normal usage at the 12w mode or light gaming at 20w mode was super impressive. Even though 12th Gen Intel chips have made great performance gains Intel is still relying on unsustainable high turbo boosts to get the benchmark numbers. I just recently stumbled across these two otherwise identical laptops. https://psref.lenovo…

Exactly. Not just 1 model but you can compare identical ThinkPad models as well and AMD versions have significantly better battery life. Not only that, even last year's identical models with 11th Gen Intel CPUs have better battery life than their new 12th Gen models. So Intel's power efficiency actually decreased compared to last year, even though they introduced the hybrid architecture.

In some instances Alder Lake CPUs slightly edge out Apple's CPUs in performance, but with a terrible battery life (~4 hours of real world battery life vs >10 hours on Apple laptops) and noisy fans.

AMD on the other hand seems to have focused on getting a good balance this year. 6800U models have significant performance improvements over the last gen while improving the battery life as well.

I am thinking of buying a new laptop this year, but I am waiting for the AMD models. For anyone interested, these are the models I am waiting for:

https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkBook/ThinkBook_13s_G4_...

https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_X13_Gen_3...

Both have much better battery life than their Intel counterparts:

ThinkBook 13s Gen 4 (AMD): 14 hours

ThinkBook 13s Gen 4 (Intel): 10.9 hours

ThinkPaf X13 Gen 3 (AMD): 15.68 hours

ThinkPad X13 Gen 3 (Intel): 11.8 hours

These numbers are usually lower in real life, but they are comparable with each other.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by blackoil »

wodenokoto wrote: post #77

After Apples announcement of M1, I feel like it is mandatory for such a laptop test to discuss power per watt and for how long you can game on the 11 vs 12th gen processor. I also feel like it is worth mentioning that 12th gen laptop is priced ~ $150 over the 11th gen. If you're coding against an online build system and 11 last an extra hour (or whatever), it's a no-brainer to stick with the old one.

As per most reviews 12th gen is more power efficient. Particularly for the use cases you have mentioned, as P cores wouldn't be working most of the time and E core are much more power efficient.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by jagger27 »

nwah1 wrote: post #11
jjtheblunt wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately? as in no competition to drive progress?

Not too many companies have a market cap over a trillion dollars, and if you don't then you can forget about competing on the upcoming process nodes that will require enormous capital. Samsung's internal processor division seems to be sucking. Google is trying it half-heartedly like they do with nearly everything. Nvidia and AMD haven't really tried to compete for the desktop ARM market, and Intel certainly hasn't. Q…

Hopefully Qualcomm’s Nuvia acquisition will bear some fruit sometime soon.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by blackoil »

philliphaydon wrote: post #82

I’m rather disappointed in 12th Gen for mobile. I have a AMD 5800h Lenovo laptop and a 12700 Dell. The dell stutters, fans spin, etc. the Lenovo is just rock solid and fast. Never stutters or slows down. Fans spin up only when playing games. I wish framework would do an AMD laptop. But Linus put them in touch with AMD and they done nothing.

Building a new laptop from scratch is time-taking and costly. So Framework may rightly be spending their time on optimising product, reducing cost and reaching more countries.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by Rebelgecko »

mmmeff wrote: post #21

Cool, now compare it to an M2

From the Cinebench scores in the linked post vs some M2 benchmarks, the M2 (score of 1695) is comparable to the bottom tier 12th gen Framework in the single core benchmark (framework scores: [1691, 1723, 1839]. On the multi-core benchmark, the M2 is significantly worse- 8714 vs [9631, 10027, 11076].

The main advantage of the M2s is probably battery life.

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