TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021) • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by kelseyfrog » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:44 PM UTC

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> in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas This is true in the broadest possible sense. It's why teenagers rebel against all social norms. The teenage mind mind is particularly geared toward identity discovery and without it, young adult minds would be simple inputs of their parents. Besides that, nearly all big ideas are infectious. Language, gender, religion, politics, economics, &c are all inc…

Idea differ in the degree of virality however. They also differ in the degree of parasitism; some are designed to spread as much as possible with no regard for the longevity of the host. Cults, as an extreme example, seize upon vulnerable adolescents using relatable & poisonous ideas. Ideas designed to foreclose the identities of their hosts as fast as possible in order to add new members to the cult. Kind of like a…

I think what you're describing at the end is the most insidious and parasitic idea of them all. Teen angst stems from finally learning enough about how the world works and wanting to change it, but what I'm reading is the desire to redirect that want into a foreclosed acceptance of the status quo. It's the mental castration of a burgeoning will to power that leads to life long economic-social-political impotence. To reframe it as whims and folly of youth denies us of a billion possible futures. No wonder the kids today feel hopeless about the future, they've been infected with it on purpose.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Banana699 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

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Depends on which bubble you live in.

Simple objective reality. Nobody is diagnosing boys as trans or having gender dysphoria simply because they play with Barbies. People in a certain bubble may believe it's happening, but in the real world it takes a lot more than "plays with barbies" to get that diagnosis.

What makes you think you have more access to objective reality than others ?

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by ryukafalz » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

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> Now, with TikTok, the only limit is what TikTok will ban. Which isn't much. The population segment of kids who aren't supervised in any way used to have an inherent limit. Not any more. This may be new-ish but I’m not sure it’s that new. I grew up with the early web in the late 90s/early 2000s, and it’s always been pretty unfiltered. It wasn’t centralized in the way TikTok is, but plenty of us grew up on the web wi…

Early internet was populated mostly by educated people and there were very little (if at all) monetary influence to drive engagement. So i guess these two factors are sufficient for internet to be much safer place.

4chan dates from 2003, for reference.

It may be the case that algorithmic feeds and social networks that have one giant global context tend to expose stuff like this in ways that would have been less likely on the early web. 4chan has always been pretty awful but you wouldn’t have seen it unless you were on 4chan, which for most people was “never”. The norm at the time was to be in multiple different communities, and there typically wasn’t much overlap.

By contrast, TikTok is all one big space, and if the algorithm wants you to see something you’ll see it. That part is new.

Maybe that falls under “monetary influence to drive engagement” in which case I suppose I agree.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by nikolay » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:47 PM UTC

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Most people using TitTok already have a mental disorder called "narcissism". Not so long from now, companies like Instagram, Snapchat, and TikTok would be banned for the impossible to measure but huge damage made to the society. Facebook is also evil, but for many other types of damages. And it's not like these companies don't know what they actually are causing - they perfect know to conditions they put youngster in…

> Most people using TitTok already have a mental disorder called "narcissism". Pretty broad statement to make about an app with 1B+ monthly active users. Are 7% of the world's population narcissistic?

Cocaine has a lot of users, too. Should we legalize it?

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by nikolay » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:48 PM UTC

MichaelCollins wrote: post #401

nikolay wrote: post #390

Most people using TitTok already have a mental disorder called "narcissism". Not so long from now, companies like Instagram, Snapchat, and TikTok would be banned for the impossible to measure but huge damage made to the society. Facebook is also evil, but for many other types of damages. And it's not like these companies don't know what they actually are causing - they perfect know to conditions they put youngster in…

> Most people using TitTok already have a mental disorder called "narcissism" I think you have to break apart those 'using' TikTok by anonymously consuming content, and those who are 'using' TikTok by producing content with the aspiration of hitting it big. Narcissism seems connected to the second, but not so much the first.

Reverse narcissism isn't less severe!

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by jeffdn » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:49 PM UTC

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There's still a lot of discussion of this in the political discourse here in Norway, in fact I'd argue it's become increasingly more discussed as social media have taken over. Just recently, a law was passed requiring advertising that is edited to significantly change the physical appearance of people, to marked as such. One of the most common practices is editing to make a model's boobs look bigger, or her figure mo…

The iPhone selfie camera changes the physical appearance of the user to appear more attractive. I wonder if every selfie will have to have a notifier.

That's not advertising though -- the commenter stated that the scope of the law was for edited photos in advertisements.

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Post by layer8 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:49 PM UTC

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The language has shifted as well. You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience. If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you. In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic c…

It made us feel so insulted and betrayed that when my wife would cry in the NICU for any reason the nurses would tattle on her and she’d get a call from the pill pushers trying to prescribe her psych meds. It’s like look, my kid has literally been in the NICU for 6 months now (it ended up being 9 months total) and you’re strongly pressuring us to get her a tracheostomy (let’s not use medical euphemism here though, th…

> My blood boils

Better get some prescription for that. ;)

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Post by AndrewVos » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:50 PM UTC

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The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

Another weird trend of this is that these self-diagnoses are brought up as if they're personality traits. From what I've seen, Gen Z is much more likely to introduce themselves to others by saying things like "My name is [xyz] and I'm bipolar transfluid asexual with depression" or similar

Nobody has ever said this to you in your entire life

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:50 PM UTC

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There are standard diagnostic tests to falsify whether you have ADHD, that give a binary result as to whether the patient has ADHD/ADD. It is very easy to take one of these tests and determine whether you experience the symptoms

Any free online? Or need to go to a doc

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Post by mechanical_bear » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 5:50 PM UTC

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It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

It was never taboo to criticize pro-ana groups. Being lgbt isn’t a mental illness. Not medically speaking, anyway. Maybe they were considered such in the past. Go far enough back and we used bloodletting as a common treatment, our understanding generally improves with time. I have no desire to go back to an era where lgbt people were persecuted. With respect to your other point. “Children” is a broad category. Pre-pu…

> Being lgbt isn’t a mental illness.

No one in this thread was claiming that. With the possible exception of aspects of trans, but don’t conflate that with the larger LGB community. Separate issues, and not being discussed here.

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