TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021) • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by MichaelCollins » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:15 PM UTC

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #349

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

There's still a lot of discussion of this in the political discourse here in Norway, in fact I'd argue it's become increasingly more discussed as social media have taken over. Just recently, a law was passed requiring advertising that is edited to significantly change the physical appearance of people, to marked as such. One of the most common practices is editing to make a model's boobs look bigger, or her figure mo…

> Just recently, a law was passed requiring advertising that is edited to significantly change the physical appearance of people, to marked as such.

This makes so much sense, I can't believe I've never thought of it. We do this on boxes of breakfast cereal, why not fashion magazines too?

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by woweoe » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:16 PM UTC

skc wrote: post #186

jimmaswell wrote: post #162

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I've joked that Tik Tok is a Chinese psyop meant to weaken the next generation of the west (it's banned in China itself), but it looks less like a joke all the time.

Indeed. From what I've read, Chinese Tik Tok looks nothing at all like what gets served up in the West. I'd imagine that for China, US/Western Tik Tok is a literal treasure trove of useful information on the state of practically every facet of US/Western life and culture. Oh the subtle and untraceable mischief you could get up to by just turning a few knobs.

This is what a variety of outlets like Reddit and Wikipedia have descended into though. The people on the establishment side will say its "open" but the people being discriminated against will say it's biased.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by dnissley » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:17 PM UTC

a_shovel wrote: post #371

badcppdev wrote: post #334

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Because boys are allowed to play with dolls. And shouldn't think it indicates they are trans or have gender dysphoria. It's not a sign of anything. Please don't misinterpret the comment. *Edit: removed the word diagnosed as wasn't in the original comment.*

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They are both things that people realize about themselves and things that they are diagnosed with by others. E.g. in order to receive hormones, one must be diagnosed as having gender dysphoria by a professional.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by dangus » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:21 PM UTC

jnovek wrote: post #201

originalvichy wrote: post #167

I can't stop seeing the heavy gender skew in online communities centred around these topics. Both the sexual orientation as well as mental disorder communities like this seem to be most popular among teenager or young adult women. As a man I don't know how teenage hormones affect girls different than boys at that age, so I can't even give an uneducated guess as to what could be the source of this attraction towards q…

This is because women are under-diagnosed for most mental health disorders except for Bipolar and BPD, for which they are over-diagnosed. They build communities because their doctors aren’t helping them.

I've heard too many women share stories about predominately male doctors being completely dismissive of symptoms as a generality.

It really boils down to the basic cultural tendency for men to simply not trust what women are saying on nearly any subject. There's no way you could know what's wrong with you, there's no way you could understand math, there's no way you can tell me how to patch drywall, etc.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Volundr » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

> You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans.

This literally does not happen.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Minor49er » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

Another weird trend of this is that these self-diagnoses are brought up as if they're personality traits. From what I've seen, Gen Z is much more likely to introduce themselves to others by saying things like "My name is [xyz] and I'm bipolar transfluid asexual with depression" or similar

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by kkielhofner » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #368

kkielhofner wrote: post #280

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The language has shifted as well. You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience. If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you. In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic c…

I think the main point of removing this exclusion is that you can be depressed and bereaved at the same time. Or you could be so depressed due to bereavement that you still need treatment. In DSM-V it's left to the clinician to distinguish between clinically significant depression and a healthy, transitory reaction to bereavement. The reason for this is to avoid cases where people who need treatment are dismissed too…

As the other comment with his wife and the NICU situation noted, the point here is people should be left to deal with life if they’re going through some shit.

IIRC the bereavement exclusion was six months? This made sense to me, if you had some terrible event in your life and you’re not back to something resembling your baseline mood and function after roughly that time period there’s probably something going on that needs to be looked at.

To me this is the mental health equivalent of “Sorry you sprained your ankle and it hurts a little, here’s a month of OxyContin and what could very well be a lifelong addiction”. We don’t do that anymore - today you’ll get ibuprofen and ice.

Even with more serious injuries you’re more likely to get lifestyle suggestions, physical therapy, etc than opioids.

In many cases we’re throwing pills that change mood and brain chemistry at people suffering from what is basically “life”. I’m not saying people shouldn’t be treated, I’m saying general practitioners throwing SSRIs at someone and diagnosing them with depression after talking to them for literally five minutes doesn’t seem right to me.

But it is easier and faster than hours and hours of therapy.

What comes first? An irresponsibly written anti-depressant prescription because someone said they have depression, or someone says they have depression because someone irresponsibly wrote them a prescription for an anti-depressant?

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by anotherman554 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:22 PM UTC

Bubble_Pop_22 wrote: post #377

anotherman554 wrote: post #313

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"...a mandatory requirement that the condition has a significant negative impact on the patient's life." Lot's of things have negative impacts that aren't considered medical conditions, on the other hand Elan Musk says he has Aspergers. Nobody seems to doubt it. This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impac…

> "significant negative impact" on social skills. Social skills you see them at the micro level , not at the macro level. That is after the halo effect of all the paid for publicity (plus all the abomination that is modern day social media) vanishes. Once the halo effect vanishes everybody nopes the hell out of Musk life, including his confidantes, children and wives. So he has significant negative impact on social s…

Manipulating the public and business associates in order to become worth 200+ billions of dollars seems to me to require quite a lot of social savvy. So does the regular interactions with people that go with founding a company.

I think someone can be a bad spouse without necessarily suffering from a social skill disorder. And someone suffering from a social skill disorder can be a good spouse, so I don't know that divorce really tells us much.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by hitekker » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

kelseyfrog wrote: post #352

cloutchaser wrote: post #271

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Or in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas. (this is a fact, and was proven with things like the anorexia epidemic)

> in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas This is true in the broadest possible sense. It's why teenagers rebel against all social norms. The teenage mind mind is particularly geared toward identity discovery and without it, young adult minds would be simple inputs of their parents. Besides that, nearly all big ideas are infectious. Language, gender, religion, politics, economics, &c are all inc…

Idea differ in the degree of virality however. They also differ in the degree of parasitism; some are designed to spread as much as possible with no regard for the longevity of the host. Cults, as an extreme example, seize upon vulnerable adolescents using relatable & poisonous ideas. Ideas designed to foreclose the identities of their hosts as fast as possible in order to add new members to the cult. Kind of like a "ponzi scheme" but for insecure and fashionable group identities.

One antibody could be questions about "time" that adults ask and teens do not. Teens haven't lived long enough to know that a dark feeling that feels like forever could just be one moment in their lives. I think my parents helped me avoid parasitic beliefs in my adolescence by asking me good questions.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by fsociety » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:24 PM UTC

JediLuke wrote: post #241

rlv-dan wrote: post #147

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It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

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This is an uninformed and sexist viewpoint of differences between men and women. Women cry more.. men bottle it up and let it out as a form of aggression usually to people who are no the source of stress.

Ask yourself why are men the ones committing mass shootings and not women? There is probably a large mental health gap that needs to be addressed, and the resistance to getting therapy or being in touch with feelings has to do with this “men don’t cry” BS.