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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by MichaelCollins »

watwut wrote: post #323
collegeburner wrote: post #260

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idk i always got the idea that at that age women can be more emotionally vulnerable to some stuff. same reason their bullying goes for social attacks, shaming, talking shit behind ppls backs instead of physical violence mostly.

Male on male bullying also moved away from pure physical violence. Men beat each other up much less often. The physical violence is mostly realm of very low socioeconomic status. Bullying still exists tho.

Having been on the receiving end of some physical and social/psychological bullying, I think maybe we've gone astray by suppressing the former in favor of the latter. The times I got into fights I was left bruised and humbled, but in all but one case I was able to bury the hatchet with those people. The rumor spreading is different. With social bullying there's no sense of finality after a fight, no reconciliation or resolution. I've gotten and made apologies after fights, but never after social bullying.

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Post by jimmaswell »

xwdv wrote: post #340
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Gender dysphoria is a real thing that's treated by transitioning. In people suffering from it it demonstratedly improves quality of life and reduces suicides. > that is what you truly are and all you’ll ever be Only if you choose to see it this way. The majority of western society accepts transgender people today and it's not an issue.

Is gender real? No, gender is a societal construct that describes the presentation of males and females. Therefore, if gender isn’t real, gender dysphoria isn’t real. If society had no concept of gender, it is highly likely that far less people would report feeling they should have the sex organs of their opposite sex instead of what they have now, especially if they had no previous exposure or experience with such o…

> If society had no concept of gender

Yeah, well, it does, and that's the world we live in right now. We're affected by a lot of things that aren't "real" like laws, social status, and fiat money.

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Post by faeriechangling »

watwut wrote: post #335
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I've spent a long time in disability communities, falsifiability gets very little respect, and "gatekeeping" is generally expressly or implicitly taboo. So with Autism, probably the most common disqualifier in practice is that the disorder requires childhood presentation and a lot of people don't know this. So somebody will come in, say "oh I wasn't autistic at all as a child, but I felt very autistic as a teenager,…

You are treating "not presenting symptoms as kids" and "not being diagnosed as a kid" interchangeably.

I'm not, I'm in no way saying that explicitly or implicitly. I do not even remotely conflate these two things.

It is possible to show symptoms as a child, not get diagnosed as a child, and get diagnosed as an adult. I have zero issue with that. Here's the exact phrasing of the criteria https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html

>Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life).

There's nothing in the diagnosis that says you need to be diagnosed as a child. I adamantly do not believe that's required for a diagnosis in any way shape or form.

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Post by kkielhofner »

Retric wrote: post #330
kkielhofner wrote: post #280

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The language has shifted as well. You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience. If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you. In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic c…

That’s wildly wrong. The medical community adopted depression and anxiety from general use dating back to the 1500’s rather than the other way around. “The meaning "dejection, state of sadness, a sinking of the spirits" is from early 15c. (as a clinical term in psychology, from 1905);” https://www.etymonline.com/word/depression “anxiety (n.) 1520s, "apprehension caused by danger, misfortune, or error, uneasiness of m…

I think we’re talking past each other here?

The medical diagnoses are generalized anxiety disorder and major depressive disorder (with a variety of variations). Both of which, in common usage, have meaning.

The average person with their arm in a cast doesn’t say they “have a compound fracture of the radius and ulna”. They say they broke their arm or MAYBE fractured their arm. In this case the simple language and medical diagnosis is fracture.

Just like people with SERIOUS, life ruining disabling and debilitating depression don’t say they “have non-psychotic major depressive disorder”. They say they have depression. I’m not gatekeeping, just being extreme for the purposes of discussion.

To me, you can be depressed about something and not have depression. You can be anxious about something and not have anxiety. Those are slightly more sophisticated uses of sad and worry.

To me (again) the issue comes in when you apply a diagnosis to a feeling. When you bump your funny bone you don’t tell people your arm is fractured.

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Post by implements »

opheliate wrote: post #312
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You're moving the goalposts to a separate issue: The post you're reply to was specifically talking about children receiving medical treatment to address gender dysphoria, not the possibility of a child experiencing gender dysphoria in general. If a teacher feels a child could be unsafe if they expressed they were trans to their family, they might encourage them not to tell them. But the teacher would not have input o…

The issue is what causes a child to experience gender dysphoria (or more accurately what causes a child to believe that their distress at their own body is genuine gender dysphoria rather than a symptom conversion from another psychological issue)?

And then there’s the issue that holding that objective gender exists and is innate in the same way biological sex does is a philosophical / ideological position - other positions exist. My generation (late X) were taught to see people as unique individuals differentiated by sex only for the purposes of reproductive role - that people are born ‘gendered’ is a complete anathema - society should not be in the business of assigning acceptable appearances, behaviours and attitudes to individuals based on their sex, or worse, surgically modifying people such that their apparent sex matches their gender.

(Clarification - surgery is of-course fine as the cure for untreatable gender dysphoria, and in adults as a free choice. My objection is to the belief in appropriate gender norms and appearances as being the correct ordering of individuals in society - I’d rather see a girl with masculine interests remaining comfortable with her female body, rather than asked to question her ‘gender identity’).

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Post by coding123 »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

The drug industry does the same thing. Has anyone else watched a anti-depression medicine commercial and suddenly felt they are depressed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twhvtzd6gXA

I mean watch this and tell me you don't want what they're selling.

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

kkielhofner wrote: post #280
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189

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The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

The language has shifted as well. You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience. If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you. In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic c…

I think the main point of removing this exclusion is that you can be depressed and bereaved at the same time. Or you could be so depressed due to bereavement that you still need treatment. In DSM-V it's left to the clinician to distinguish between clinically significant depression and a healthy, transitory reaction to bereavement. The reason for this is to avoid cases where people who need treatment are dismissed too easily because they happen to be bereaved. There is still a distinction drawn, it's just that it's not currently easy to make that distinction in a standardised way, and so it was decided to remove it from the DSM, which is meant to be as rigorous and statistically grounded as possible.

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Post by Apocryphon »

kkielhofner wrote: post #365
Retric wrote: post #330

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That’s wildly wrong. The medical community adopted depression and anxiety from general use dating back to the 1500’s rather than the other way around. “The meaning "dejection, state of sadness, a sinking of the spirits" is from early 15c. (as a clinical term in psychology, from 1905);” https://www.etymonline.com/word/depression “anxiety (n.) 1520s, "apprehension caused by danger, misfortune, or error, uneasiness of m…

I think we’re talking past each other here? The medical diagnoses are generalized anxiety disorder and major depressive disorder (with a variety of variations). Both of which, in common usage, have meaning. The average person with their arm in a cast doesn’t say they “have a compound fracture of the radius and ulna”. They say they broke their arm or MAYBE fractured their arm. In this case the simple language and medi…

> To me, you can be depressed about something and not have depression. You can be anxious about something and not have anxiety. Those are slightly more sophisticated uses of sad and worry.

You are contradicting your own examples:

> You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety.

It's possible the people are expressing they are feeling depressed or having anxiety in a colloquial way without confusing the emotion for the diagnosis. Your prior examples indicated that to use those words is problematic, yet you now say that "you can be depressed about something" and that "you can be anxious about something."

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