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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by cloutchaser »

jnovek wrote: post #201
originalvichy wrote: post #167

I can't stop seeing the heavy gender skew in online communities centred around these topics. Both the sexual orientation as well as mental disorder communities like this seem to be most popular among teenager or young adult women. As a man I don't know how teenage hormones affect girls different than boys at that age, so I can't even give an uneducated guess as to what could be the source of this attraction towards q…

This is because women are under-diagnosed for most mental health disorders except for Bipolar and BPD, for which they are over-diagnosed. They build communities because their doctors aren’t helping them.

Or in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas.

(this is a fact, and was proven with things like the anorexia epidemic)

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Post by washbrain »

jrm4 wrote: post #248
washbrain wrote: post #148

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It's not policing, I'm suggesting that in a dialogue the use of scare quotes signals a negative interest in actually engaging in discussion. Typically, scare quotes will be interpreted as someone who has already made their mind up and won't be moved. Compare: "I'm skeptical about the prevalence of autism in teens." "I'm skeptical about the prevalence of "autism" in teens." The first absolutely conveys your skepticism…

The sneer is intentional, esp for "neurodivergent." It strikes me as something as so nebulous as to perhaps be useless. Could be wrong.

I believe it's intended to be an umbrella term for many specific conditions. The opposite of neurotypical.

It's a way to acknowledge that folks with autism, ADHD, schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder, depression, OCD, or other conditions are not neurotypical - they are neurodivergent.

I've rarely met someone who would say they are neurodiverse without a specific underlying condition.

It's a way of creating a category or set without needing to share one's diagnosis. Think of it like saying, "I'm European" vs "I'm Italian".

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Post by qzx_pierri »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189
MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

> parents give their kids pills,because it's easier than actually parenting that kid.

And then you have threads like this, where people call for mass censorship because some believe it's easier to ban "bad" topics than to actively parent their kids.

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Post by addicted »

BurningFrog wrote: post #233
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189

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The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

There are lots of money to be made from more diagnoses,

This and the parent’s statement is almost entirely wrong.

Given 2 statements: 1) Americans don’t seek/receive enough mental healthcare 2) Americans seek/receive too much mental health care

no one (other than the old school types who think mental health is simply something for weak people) would pick (2) as true.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

cpach wrote: post #197
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #50

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Well, other bad influences were reading Bukowski or Ginsberg too young but I mostly agree. This is the change that has never occurred in human history. Every thread brings up that all complaints about this new media were applied to past forms of media.

I started reading Bukowski when I was around 13 or so. Many of the titles were available at the local library. I don’t think it was bad though. If anything, it was a cautionary tale of what substance abuse can lead too. And his poems were great.

Good. I like Bukowski too. At 13 I was more of a Kerouac guy. I know a girl who clearly idolizes and emulates Bukowski's lifestyle though.

My point was more that there were still ways for bad influences to reach people.

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Post by addicted »

collegeburner wrote: post #263
MichaelCollins wrote: post #257

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Men cry in the office too, but they're better at hiding it because the social expectations are different. A few times during crunches I've heard men sobbing in the restroom instead of at their desk. Men get told to 'man up', so they bottle it up or hide it.

counterpoint: no. i been in some pretty stressful environments and never reacted like that. same for most guys i know. maybe it's different where you are but i never seen it even in private like that or with close friends.

Unless you were raised in a forest, you’re also a product of the same environment, that tells boys and men since they are little that they shouldn’t cry.

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Post by jquery »

margalabargala wrote: post #266
jquery wrote: post #261

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Your generalization OCD is very, very wrong. I can sadly speak from all-too-close experience that OCD is an absolutely crippling mental illness our society still does not take seriously enough. It’s still largely used as a punchline in popular culture and in social interactions. Edit: I’m being told I misunderstood the parent comment but it appears to be claiming the bar is much lower now than in the past. Certainly…

I think you may have misread the comment you replied to. The claim being made, is that in times past, the bar for being diagnosed with something like OCD was much lower than today, causing people to consider mundane things as symptoms.

“The bar also got a lot lower than back then.”

It appears GP is saying the bar for being diagnosed with a mental illness is lower today (“got a lot lower”). I am pushing back, at least where OCD is concerned.

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Post by deepdriver »

jquery wrote: post #250
rlv-dan wrote: post #147

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It's taboo to criticise such movements because by extension you criticise those that actually have the illness. And some movements have grown quite powerful politically. If you allude that it's problematic to let children change sex, you are painted as anti lgbtixxxx. Activism has won against science.

It was never taboo to criticize pro-ana groups. Being lgbt isn’t a mental illness. Not medically speaking, anyway. Maybe they were considered such in the past. Go far enough back and we used bloodletting as a common treatment, our understanding generally improves with time. I have no desire to go back to an era where lgbt people were persecuted. With respect to your other point. “Children” is a broad category. Pre-pu…

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Post by kkielhofner »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189
MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

The language has shifted as well.

You’re not sad, you’re depressed.

You don’t worry, you have anxiety.

Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience.

If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you.

In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic criteria. Thinking being if someone close to you dies a normal person almost should feel the symptoms of depression for some period of time. You don’t have depression, you’re mourning.

It was (controversially) removed in DSM-5:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4204469/

The “slap a medical diagnosis on a normal feeling” described in the article seems to have entered society across the board.

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