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Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by X-Istence »

dhughes wrote: post #21
overgard wrote: post #5

I'm somewhat of a new mac user, so I can't speak historically, but I will say that lion was quite a downgrade. It broke things that were previously working fine (my network drivers and my dev tools), removed useful features (rosetta), and really didn't add anything new that I care about. I never use the app store; I dislike mission control; really the only thing I actually like is the better window resizing.

I'm very new to Mac I just got a Macbook about two months ago it's my first ever apple computer. I got it to become familiar with it since I like to be familiar it and other operating systems. My first impression after using Linux as my primary OS for the last ten plus years is OS X is very Linux-like in behaviour. But I feel like I am in a glossy, trendy prison with a guard constantly next to me. Everything works we…

On Apple's full size USB keyboards you have a separate delete and backspace key. Both still called delete, but they do the same task as on other machines.

As for rebooting, that is slowly going away, only for major updates that modify libraries that may currently be in use by applications is it still required, mainly to be sure that those apps start using the updated version rather than keeping the old one around. With Lion's support for going back to a previous state upon logging in that has become almost seamless, my windows are back in the same location after a reboot as they were before the reboot.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by dasil003 »

xentronium wrote: post #170
archangel_one wrote: post #74

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I think some of the points are valid; there may be solutions but they are so obscure that people obviously never discover them. I've had a MBP for nearly a year now and never knew that Fn+Left/Right substituted for Home/End (thanks for the tip, btw). I can't see myself guessing Cmd+Shift+G to type paths into Finder either... They're valid solutions but normally Linux is (not unjustifiably) castigated for requiring ob…

Actually, I liked text manipulations shortcuts in native text input fields. They are very consistent and easy to get used to. Option (Alt) means "word". Opt+Left — move one word left, Opt+Right — move one word right. Cmd means "all". Cmd+left — move to beginning of line, Cmd+right — move to the end of line, Cmd+up — move to the beginning of the text, Cmd+down — move to the end of text. PgDown/PgUp/Home/End mean the s…

I can only imagine you were downvoted by accident...

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by wes-exp »

statictype wrote: post #80
HSO wrote: post #58

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Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it He meant, you can click anywhere in the window and use Alt. If you left-click, it moves the window. If you middle-click it (apparently - I did not know this) will resize the window. Mac OS X has oddly small targets for many of the Window management things. You have to be careful with the mouse when finding a resize corner…

FYI, I just installed duplicity and rdiff-backup through Homebrew and it worked flawlessly. Agree that MacPorts is crap. But Homebrew is actually pretty good.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by dasil003 »

lurker14 wrote: post #118
HSO wrote: post #83

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> You just proved his point. Granted, it's not candy-color obvious. But for a developer working on Linux , "hard" should represent a different barrier than for Joe Sixpack, yes?

There is a distinction between "doable" and "usable". I should switch to Terminal every time I want to toggle hidden file visibility? Or write a service to install on my Finder toolbar. (I did this, because I'm not Joe Sixpack, but it's still annoying. If I wanted to write my own UI, I wouldn't have gone out and bought one.)

Apple has decided that regular users should never see hidden files. I can see how this might be annoying to you, but I don't think I can be convinced that it's a bad justification.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by mun2mun »

hackoder wrote: post #19

For those criticizing- He has given one example of what he thinks is wrong. Not all posts are meant to be essays... Briefly though, (as another user who switched from Mac OS X), I can certainly give examples of what he says: Not all of these are specific to OS X, its the overall hardware and software that is getting frustrating. More user-hostile - If you replace your SuperDrive with another drive, you CAN NOT boot a…

Battery life degradation when moving from SL to Lion. Apple forums are full of examples. [3] (78 page thread, no confirmation or fix from Apple).

Wow! 78 page thread! Almost all are saying me too. And no sound in blogosphere! Just imagine if same thing happens in microsoft discussion forum. Tech bloggers really cut some slack for apple.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by X-Istence »

pixie_ wrote: post #93

I use Windows as my primary UI, but also use ubuntu and OSX daily in virtual machines. I switch between visual studio, eclipse, and XCode constantly. I still prefer the windows UI to the others. Ubuntu, especially Unity feels always like a step behind the windows UI. In the latest release the taskbar won't stick, they took away the start menu, and menus are stuck at the top of the screen like osx. I like in windows h…

Package management in Windows ... surely you must be joking.

Having an all encompassing .app folder is simpler, and makes it easier for the user to delete stuff they no longer need/want without it spewing files all over the hard drive. DMG is just a disk image, just like Zip it allows you to contain multiple files and compress them. Not only that, but it keeps everything in tact such as symlinks, permissions and fun stuff so that when the user drags the .app to their Applications folder they have a self-contained functioning application.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by kblanks »

js2 wrote: post #75

Re: "maximize" button that is being complained about in this thread. It's not a maximize button, it's a zoom button, and while I don't like its behavior, it's always been this way in OS X. From the current HIG: Your application determines the initial size and position of a window, which is called the standard state. If the user changes a window’s size or location by at least 7 points, the new size and location is the…

For those of you who dislike the green button's behavior, I'd highly recommend the tiny app Right Zoom: http://m.lifehacker.com/5240827/rightzoom-makes-the-os-x-max.... It makes the green button maximize windows to the full screen size. More importantly for me, it gives a keyboard shortcut (CMD-ALT-E) for maximising a window. It's one of the few modifications I'd hate to be without.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by yardie »

ohkine wrote: post #110
statictype wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it He meant, you can click anywhere in the window and use Alt. If you left-click, it moves the window. If you middle-click it (apparently - I did not know this) will resize the window. Mac OS X has oddly small targets for many of the Window management things. You have to be careful with the mouse when finding a resize corner…

> Mac OS X has oddly small targets for many of the Window management things. I actually like this about OS X. When i heard that Lion added resize-from-any-side, i was annoyed, because i feared it would be Windows 7-esque (in that on W7 there is this 20- or 30-pixel dead zone around the edges of every window where you can't get anything done except resize). I found the final implementation on OS X to be surprisingly g…

The mini player is back?! Great.

I was one of the vocal complainers when CMD-Shift-M didn't do what I expected it to do in iTunes. And I know it breaks the HIG but having the controls tucked in a corner was better than having the entire application disappear to the Dock.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by dasil003 »

ugh wrote: post #127
fiblye wrote: post #116

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"Save as" is usually used when you want to save it as a different file somewhere else, and most people have cmd-shift-s ingrained in their mind. This no longer exists and there's no excuse. Autosaving doesn't even do the same job.

I don’t think you understand. This is about paradigm shifts. Here is how it used to work: You open this old document because you want to create a new one and use the old one as a template. You either Save as right away or (much more likely) you edit for a bit and do a Save as at some later point. If you do this with auto save you are fucked. (Well, not really. There is now Versions, so starting with Lion this is fina…

Personally I miss my Save As and I am not a fan of auto-save, but I think it's horseshit that someone downvoted this.
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