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Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by wes-exp »

slig wrote: post #15

What about a paid GNU/Linux distro that runs perfectly on recent Apple hardware? No drivers bullshit, just works?

Sign me up. Ubuntu has been a decent attempt at a desktop Linux, but there is no "great" laptop hardware for it. Commercial Linux so far seems to be about two things: server, and cheap crap. There does not seem to be any interest in the power user or developer who needs a workstation, despite the fact that this is the one thing desktop Linux truly shines at. And when I say workstation I mean for work, i.e. not a web/email appliance.

Now maybe the power user market just isn't big enough to cater to, or the economics around copyleft makes it impossible. I don't know. But I sure would like a portable Linux workstation that's actually good. And I'm not talking about a heavy, fat System76 laptop with 1-2 hours battery life. Mac hardware has a real edge in this area.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by saint-loup »

gregschlom wrote: post #149
vertr wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hold shift while clicking the zoom button to maximize the window. Edit: in Chrome only.

That's one of the things I hate in OS X: many features are there, but hidden until you press some modifier key. Hold shift to maximize. Hold option while pasting to move a file instead of copying. Hold Cmd+Shift+. to see hidden files, and so on. That's the opposite of user-friendly.

The worst example of this tendency? Photobooth. You can press shift and alt to disable the flash and the delay (resp.), but there's no hint of this feature anywhere. I think it's not even in the help or in any documentation.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by neetij »

vertr wrote: post #123
js2 wrote: post #75

Re: "maximize" button that is being complained about in this thread. It's not a maximize button, it's a zoom button, and while I don't like its behavior, it's always been this way in OS X. From the current HIG: Your application determines the initial size and position of a window, which is called the standard state. If the user changes a window’s size or location by at least 7 points, the new size and location is the…

Hold shift while clicking the zoom button to maximize the window. Edit: in Chrome only.

Or install a utility like RightZoom.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by Andrex »

theatrus2 wrote: post #97
super_mario wrote: post #79

I currently use OS X for all my work and for personal/home use. But I have to agree with the sentiment. I have had nothing but praise for Apple and OS X up until Lion release. But this year has been a major turning point. End of XServe, end of Apple java, talk of end of Mac Pro and the whole post PC world thing, turning OS X into fisher price phone OS. Honestly, at this point I have to re-think my future and make a p…

Have you seen the new Windows? Microsoft is steamrolling down the "new world" path faster than Apple.

Same with Ubuntu unfortunately.

Seems like one of the smaller Linux variants will have to save us. At the moment, I'm quite taken with Fedora/Gnome 3. Although Ubuntu+Gnome 3 and the upcoming Linux Mint with Gnome 3 are solid options...

Yes. I like Gnome 3. Gnome 3.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by mrgordon »

HSO wrote: post #58
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

The full-screen mode is terrible. It leaves everything but your main monitor completely empty, making it essentially unusable for anyone with multiple monitors.

Homebrew is awesome but it should be way easier to compile from source without installing Xcode.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by Andrex »

ronnier wrote: post #26

People who are feverishly pro Android and Mac OS X users are in a weird situation. They are so anti iPhone that they are starting to turn on Mac OS X.

I don't really understand this comment.

Are you saying Tim is an Android fanboy and hates the iPhone?

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by falling »

bluekeybox wrote: post #104
tptacek wrote: post #13

I prefer Lion to Snow Leopard. I find myself appreciating the more controversial changes, like reversed scrolling and hidden scrollers. I followed Gruber's advice and suppressed the impulse to switch the defaults back to Snowpard behaviors and find that I'm less happy when I have to use Snowpard now. Meanwhile: * Mail.app under Lion is the best mail UX they've ever shipped. It's not a small improvement over Snowpard;…

> Mail.app under Lion is the best mail UX they've ever shipped. Totally agreed; I have been using Gmail web interface for years reluctant to switch to a desktop client, but switched immediately after installing Lion and checking out the Mail app.

Same here. The Show Related Messages feature is even an improvement over Gmail's conversations. Now I want that on my iPhone.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by ahlatimer »

mgkimsal wrote: post #129
ugh wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS X obviously isn’t for you. OS X doesn’t have some features you would like it to have or you need. Looking at the features you are missing it doesn’t seem like they are central for most users. If a feature is not there you simply can’t use the OS. That’s fair enough. It just doesn’t seem like that’s really a problem OS X has. Especially when you are coming from a different background it also can be hard to understa…

Alt-Arrows - is that a Lion thing? Opening up a stock iterm, and hitting... hrm... well "alt" is above the 'option' label, so I'm not sure how to invoke that. option arrows don't move by word. fn+option (which I'd assume give me 'alt' mode) doesn't work. What's the magic invocation to make that happen? Or is it Lion only? (snow leopard here).

iTerm != Terminal. The alt-arrows works in Lion's Terminal; I just checked (although I use iTerm, where it doesn't work). iTerm appears to be the only app that doesn't respond to ctrl/alt-arrows. I use them quite frequently, and it always trips me up that iTerm works differently than essentially every other app.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by Andrex »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #55

I'm using OS X right now but I really hate all OSs at this point. OS X is a usability nightmare for me, slowing me down even after many years of using it and trying to adapt to its ways. Lion is buggy on top of that (never ending wifi troubles). Linux has huge driver issues and the package managers make me think like a data center sysadmin rather than the sole user of a dev workstation that I am. And Windows is horri…

> Linux has huge driver issues and the package managers make me think like a data center sysadmin rather than the sole user of a dev workstation that I am.

Ubuntu was actually like the first desktop OS with an "app store," and Linux in general has taken all the hardware I've thrown at it with gusto. For instance, I have a USB Wi-Fi dongle. Windows 7 x64 couldn't use it, but all recent version of Linux have done just fine.

> And Windows is horrible as a development platform unless you stay slavishly within Microsoft's overpriced ecosystem.

Windows is fine for development. It may not have all the Unix-y tools, but it does have most of them. Just this week it even got a great Node.js port, in fact. Not to mention it probably has more IDEs and development environments than any other OS... I don't understand your complaints of it.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by xentronium »

archangel_one wrote: post #74
HSO wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

I think some of the points are valid; there may be solutions but they are so obscure that people obviously never discover them. I've had a MBP for nearly a year now and never knew that Fn+Left/Right substituted for Home/End (thanks for the tip, btw). I can't see myself guessing Cmd+Shift+G to type paths into Finder either... They're valid solutions but normally Linux is (not unjustifiably) castigated for requiring ob…

Actually, I liked text manipulations shortcuts in native text input fields. They are very consistent and easy to get used to.

Option (Alt) means "word". Opt+Left — move one word left, Opt+Right — move one word right.

Cmd means "all". Cmd+left — move to beginning of line, Cmd+right — move to the end of line, Cmd+up — move to the beginning of the text, Cmd+down — move to the end of text.

PgDown/PgUp/Home/End mean the same thing as in other systems, but without moving the cursor. All this might be a little frustrating at first, but it's muscle memory and you can figure the logic out in a couple of days. Don't fight the system, embrace it.

As for cmd+shift+g, you can look these shortcuts up in the menu, if you are not sure where to look, use help/search, type go to and the top item will be what you are thinking about. That said, finder still sucks.

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