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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by ugh »

adbge wrote: post #36
ramanujan wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worst parts of Lion over OS X: 1) Removed "Save As". You now have to duplicate and then save the file. 2) Smaller resize/minimize/"maximize" buttons. 3) The green maximize button still doesn't maximize. 4) Switched default behavior with mouse scrolling. 5) Generally slower and more resource intensive, noticeable on older (2009) Macbook Pros. 6) Terrible, lengthy switch over from the previous version of FileVault, if…

Seriously, wtf is up with removing "Save As"? I had to copy the text from a file I was working on and paste it into a new file because the "Save a new version" option wasn't doing anything. One you missed: really horrible auto-correct feature Apple added. It will replace a word when you're in the middle of typing it. Completely broken and totally transparent. At first, I thought that WriteRoom was just buggy. Oh, and…

Save as doesn’t make sense if the app auto-saves.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by DougBTX »

brown9-2 wrote: post #40
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

I don't think the environment is as locked down as you think. Finder can access windows shares. Apple-shift-G lets you type in any path you want in Finder, and if you are at the command line you can do open to open a Finder window. Ctrl-a and Ctrl-e at the prompt move the cursor to the beginning and end of the prompt, respectively. Someone who knows readline better than me can tell you how to move between words. I co…

> Someone who knows readline better than me can tell you how to move between words.

It's alt+leftArrow and alt+rightArrow.

Other useful ones which work in native text boxes:

    cmd+leftArrow and cmd+rightArrow to move to the start and end of lines in text boxes
    cmd+upArrow and cmd+downArrow to move to the very top and very bottom
    ctrl+a and ctrl+e to move to the start and end of paragraphs
    shift+ any of the above to move the current selection
    alt+backspace and cmd+backspace to delete the previous word or to the start of the line
There are more emacs-like keyboard shortcuts in the native text boxes, like ctrl+t to transpose letters, but I don't really use them that much.

Ctrl+backspace to delete the previous word in Windows always catches me out, since it works some of the time, but other times is just inserts a control character which I then also have to delete...

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by archangel_one »

HSO wrote: post #58
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

I think some of the points are valid; there may be solutions but they are so obscure that people obviously never discover them. I've had a MBP for nearly a year now and never knew that Fn+Left/Right substituted for Home/End (thanks for the tip, btw). I can't see myself guessing Cmd+Shift+G to type paths into Finder either... They're valid solutions but normally Linux is (not unjustifiably) castigated for requiring obscure wizardry to do things, I don't see why OSX should get away with it either.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by js2 »

Re: "maximize" button that is being complained about in this thread. It's not a maximize button, it's a zoom button, and while I don't like its behavior, it's always been this way in OS X. From the current HIG:

Your application determines the initial size and position of a window, which is called the standard state. If the user changes a window’s size or location by at least 7 points, the new size and location is the called the user state. The user can toggle between the standard state and the user state by clicking the zoom button in the title bar. Follow the guidelines in this section so that users can have the zoom experience they expect.

Choose a standard state that is best suited for the tasks your app enables. A document window, for example, should show as much as possible of the document’s content. Don’t assume that the standard state should be as large as the current display permits; instead, determine a size that makes it convenient for users to use your app. If appropriate, you can allow users to take some app windows full screen if they want more space.

Adjust the standard state when appropriate. The user can’t change the standard state that defines a window’s initial position and size, but your app can do so, based on other settings. For example, a word processor might define a standard that accommodates the display of a document whose width is specified in the Page Setup dialog.

Respond appropriately when the user zooms. When the user zooms a window that is in the user state, your app should make sure that size defined by the standard state is appropriate in the current context. Specifically, move the window as little as possible to make it the standard size, while at the same time keeping the entire window on the screen. The zoom button should not cause the window to fill the entire screen unless that was the last state the user set.

If the user zooms a window in a multidisplay system, the standard state should be on the display that contains the largest portion of the window, not necessarily on the display that contains the menu bar. This means that if the user moves a window between displays, the window’s position in the standard state could be on different displays at different times. The standard state for any window must always be fully contained on a single display.

Don’t allow a zoomed window to overlap the Dock. You always want to make sure that users have full use of both your windows and the Dock. For more information about the Dock, see “The Dock.”

http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserEx...

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by HSO »

berkut wrote: post #67
HSO wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

> They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. You don't have to hold down ALT - you can do it without, holding down ALT increases the window edge hit area to make it easier to resize it. > There's now a full-screen mode that takes care of that. And makes using multiple monitors even more pathetic on OS X by effectively disabling other outputs - on top of the age-ol…

> And makes using multiple monitors even more pathetic on OS X (the menu for a window on a secondary monitor being displayed on the primary monitor, etc, etc)...

Yes, that's one of my gripes too. Note that I didn't say OS X was perfect. I took issue with this pompous litany of faux issues.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by ugh »

artursapek wrote: post #62
andrewpi wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only in Apple-produced apps like TextEdit. Microsoft Word, etc. still have it.

Oh my god, so it's inconsistent and it's a step in the wrong direction?

They removed it for all apps that auto save. Save as doesn’t really make sense if an app auto saves and only serves to confuse.

You now duplicate and then save.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by DougBTX »

pedrolll wrote: post #44
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

>In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. In Lion it's possible to resize from any window border. I don't know what these other complaints are. Personally, coming from Windows & Ubuntu, I just fell in love with the way ever…

> In Lion it's possible to resize from any window border.

Holding down shift and alt while doing so is also quite fun, give it a try.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by super_mario »

I currently use OS X for all my work and for personal/home use. But I have to agree with the sentiment. I have had nothing but praise for Apple and OS X up until Lion release. But this year has been a major turning point. End of XServe, end of Apple java, talk of end of Mac Pro and the whole post PC world thing, turning OS X into fisher price phone OS. Honestly, at this point I have to re-think my future and make a platform switch. I have invested well over $30,000 into Apple so far, but going forward I will most likely end up with Linux for software development and Windows for Photoshop and video editing (personal use).

I'm really just waiting to see what post-Lion OS X looks like, and if they keep moving towards iOS/iPhone, then I really don't want anything to do with Apple. I don't need a computer/OS from a phone company.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by statictype »

HSO wrote: post #58
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it

He meant, you can click anywhere in the window and use Alt. If you left-click, it moves the window. If you middle-click it (apparently - I did not know this) will resize the window.

Mac OS X has oddly small targets for many of the Window management things. You have to be careful with the mouse when finding a resize corner (Lion makes it a little better) and the traffic light buttons are such a frustration that I'm led to believe they are not really meant to be used in an efficient work flow. You're better off enabling double-click-to-minimize or using Cmd-H to make a window go away.

There's now a full-screen mode that takes care of that. But that green button is still there and still behaves strangely. It's funnily called the zoom button. Naturally when you click it in iTunes you expect the iTunes window to.... shrink down to a compact size. I know the purpose of it is to 'change the window size to fit the content' - a nice concept but doesn't seem intuitive or easy to grasp for everyone.

Darwin ports? Fink?

Haha. I tried to get rdiff-backup or duplicity installed using MacPorts on Lion - it started by trying to install python2.4. And failed.

Anyway, this is not much of problem with Mac OS X - but despite being a Unixy system, I found it odd that certain tools are actually easier to run on Windows that on a Mac (not all but some)

Overall I like Mac OS X - it has great boot/shut down/sleep times, it can run a bash prompt as well as Photoshop and Word. But I'm skeptical about its usability being, on the whole, better than a Windows 7 system.

It's better in certain ways but worse in others.

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