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Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by alexbell »

HSO wrote: post #58
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

Homebrew is far superior to Macports or Fink IMO. In some ways I prefer brew install'ing to apt-get'ing. The packages are often far more up to date. I am not a fan of the transition from spaces to mission control. At least you can rearrange windows in mission control, before that update I was pretty unhappy with OS X.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

tptacek wrote: post #14
overgard wrote: post #5

I'm somewhat of a new mac user, so I can't speak historically, but I will say that lion was quite a downgrade. It broke things that were previously working fine (my network drivers and my dev tools), removed useful features (rosetta), and really didn't add anything new that I care about. I never use the app store; I dislike mission control; really the only thing I actually like is the better window resizing.

What network drivers did Lion break? Are you plugging custom network hardware into your Mac? Why? We're a pretty dev-tools-intensive shop here and while the transition to XCode4 has been hiccupy, I don't think Lion has broken anything for us.

A lot of people (including me) are suffering from dropped wifi connections. There's a thread on the Apple support forums that has 1264 replies and 157731 views: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3191630?start=0&tst...

Apple has been trying to fix it ever since Lion came out. After 2 updates it's still not working for me.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by pixie_ »

I use Windows as my primary UI, but also use ubuntu and OSX daily in virtual machines. I switch between visual studio, eclipse, and XCode constantly.

I still prefer the windows UI to the others. Ubuntu, especially Unity feels always like a step behind the windows UI. In the latest release the taskbar won't stick, they took away the start menu, and menus are stuck at the top of the screen like osx.

I like in windows how I can drag the window to the side or the screen and it expands to fill just the half. Of if I drag the border to the top it will auto-expand the window vertically.

In OSX the max/minimize buttons are too small. And the task bar seems more visually appealing than practical (in windows it fills the whole bottom.) Also the download/install software process, it feels weird. Download a file, have it come up in some jump list, then mount it to the desktop where's there's usually 2 icons one saying to drag the other somewhere. Package management seems more straight forward in windows vs osx/linux. I do like XCode 4 though, I think how it works with tabs is much better.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by andrewcooke »

i realise that people who are unhappy with osx are encouraged to move to ubuntu, while those who are happy with ubuntu seem to be moving to mint. but i just wanted to add that opensuse is still as solid as it ever was, and a new release (12) is due out in 3 more days. it supports kde and gnome (you choose on install via a single checkbox) and i have never understood why it's not more popular in the states - it seems (to me) to hit the sweet spot of minimal maintenance and maximum flexibility.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by frou_dh »

ceol wrote: post #90
frou_dh wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, OS X keyboard shortcuts sure do have bad discoverability. I'm in Safari, I wonder how to see page source. I click the Help menu (or Cmd-?) and type in 'source'. It finds the 'View Source' menu item. I arrow down to it and not only does it open the menu containing it, but there's a big animated blue arrow pointing at the keyboard shortcut. And what do you know, those funky symbols are in fact printed on my key…

>And what do you know, those funky symbols are in fact printed on my keyboard. Some of them are not— at least for my MacBook. The caret symbol is for the control key (think c aret -> c ontrol), and the slanted-looking T is the option/alt key (if you look at the graphic as though it's a path, you can see the path takes an alternate route).

My (UK) MBP has the Alt symbol.

Control doesn't have the caret, but it isn't used nearly as much as Cmd/Alt/Shift for shortcuts (mostly reserved for further modified versions of other shortcuts, and Unixy stuff). As it happens, I do have a caret of sorts on my Control key as it's remapped on to Caps Lock ;)

I had no trouble learning and coming to like how keyboard shortcuts are done on the Mac, and that's because I didn't consider my previous environment the authoritative way to use a computer just because I used it first. (See also users obsessed with maximising every window because that was the done thing on a 15" CRT)

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by DougBTX »

jessriedel wrote: post #69
HSO wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

>> I just want to see hidden files in Finder, why is that so hard? > defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE ? > Or just use the terminal ? You just proved his point.

Perhaps it is better to answer the "why is that so hard?" question instead.

I expect that it is because most people don't need or want that option. You could make an argument that there should be a checkbox for it in Finder preferences like in Windows, but even that isn't as straight forward as it sounds. Microsoft has split "hidden files" into multiple levels with UI checkboxes for two levels, "hidden" and "hidden system" files, though there are other files which are more hidden and never appear in Windows Explorer. Even people who want to see some hidden files probably don't want to see them all. And we've not even gotten into files which are backed by multiple file streams - you could make an argument for making it possible to show them too, since you might want to save disk space by deleting one stream but not the other.

But the real answer, I think, is that it is hard because these are the sorts of things you should probably be doing in the terminal in the first place, where ls -a works just fine.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by theatrus2 »

super_mario wrote: post #79

I currently use OS X for all my work and for personal/home use. But I have to agree with the sentiment. I have had nothing but praise for Apple and OS X up until Lion release. But this year has been a major turning point. End of XServe, end of Apple java, talk of end of Mac Pro and the whole post PC world thing, turning OS X into fisher price phone OS. Honestly, at this point I have to re-think my future and make a p…

Have you seen the new Windows? Microsoft is steamrolling down the "new world" path faster than Apple.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by bobwaycott »

brown9-2 wrote: post #40
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

I don't think the environment is as locked down as you think. Finder can access windows shares. Apple-shift-G lets you type in any path you want in Finder, and if you are at the command line you can do open to open a Finder window. Ctrl-a and Ctrl-e at the prompt move the cursor to the beginning and end of the prompt, respectively. Someone who knows readline better than me can tell you how to move between words. I co…

> Someone who knows readline better than me can tell you how to move between words.

In nearly every app (MS Office excluded for the most part), and in a terminal of course, Option+f/Option+b will move forward/backward one word at a time respectively.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by ugh »

frou_dh wrote: post #95
ceol wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And what do you know, those funky symbols are in fact printed on my keyboard. Some of them are not— at least for my MacBook. The caret symbol is for the control key (think c aret -> c ontrol), and the slanted-looking T is the option/alt key (if you look at the graphic as though it's a path, you can see the path takes an alternate route).

My (UK) MBP has the Alt symbol. Control doesn't have the caret, but it isn't used nearly as much as Cmd/Alt/Shift for shortcuts (mostly reserved for further modified versions of other shortcuts, and Unixy stuff). As it happens, I do have a caret of sorts on my Control key as it's remapped on to Caps Lock ;) I had no trouble learning and coming to like how keyboard shortcuts are done on the Mac, and that's because I d…

The US keyboard is weird. The German keyboard also has the bathtub and a symbol on the shift key (also on tab), also symbols on the enter and return keys. No caret for shift, though.
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