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Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by Aeolun »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #369
goldenchrome wrote: post #358

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He did. And before that he was in AR/VR. I know a few execs who have done similar hops: jumping from one hype space to the next in the hopes that one of them disrupts the whole industry and they get launched up in their career. A sort of VC fund with an investment size of one, yourself.

Nothing wrong with that. You owe nothing to the company. The company won’t be loyal to you, why should you be loyal to it?

As an executive, my expectations are a bit different. I’m more loyal to the company, and the company is more loyal to me.

To prevent the company from being too disloyal we have golden parachutes.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by diffeomorphism »

FVYPblNGl7R9ZAc wrote: post #63
Ken_At_EM wrote: post #24

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It is highly unethical to take away copies of the game that players had to pay full price for. Stadia owes them a retail copy of the games they purchased.

That is how all of this works. If Valve went out of business then you wouldn't have any legal right or way to get the games you purchased on Steam. If Amazon shut down Prime Video then you couldn't watch the movies you purchased on it. This is not a unique problem to Google Stadia.

Are you sure about that? It rather seems like the opposite, just like for buying/renting anything. You absolutely do have a legal right to compensation, but if a company goes bankrupt you might only get it in part and you will have to sue to get it.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by MichaelCollins »

somenameforme wrote: post #312
MichaelCollins wrote: post #200

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If you have to download a pirate's crack to play a game, you may as well download a pirate version of the game in the first place. I don't see much substantial difference between these two scenarios. Steam is a DRM system with good branding, that gamers treat as special because it comes from Valve. Anecdotally, a lot of gamers believe and trust that Valve would free their games of DRM if Valve ever went out of busine…

> "..they wouldn't have the legal right to do that with any game that wasn't their own.." Both Gabe Newell, the founder/owner of Steam/Vale, and the official support response is now to state that they would provide means for users to continue to have access to their games should Steam shut down. Suggesting they are lying demands more evidence than a random claim, especially as that lie itself would likely be unlawful…

In the case of first party games owned by Valve, they may earnestly intend to do as they say, and consequently aren't lying when they say it. Nevertheless, such promises about what will happen when the company is departing are worth approximately jack shit. Whether it's Gabe (or his heirs) later deciding to sell the company or creditors carving up the company after it fails, there are many scenarios in which those earnest promises will fall through. Notch once promised to eventually open source Minecraft. Maybe he wasn't lying when he said it, he might have earnestly meant it. But that went straight out the window when Microsoft wrote him a big fat check.

In the case of third party games with DRM on Steam: Valve doesn't have a license to distribute those games without DRM, so they're effectively promising to become a pirate software distributor. They have the technical means to do this, but not the legal right. They're almost certainly self-deluding if not lying outright when they promise to do this. I lean towards flagrantly lying; they know they don't have a license to do what they're promising but they're promising it anyway. And if they're willing to lie about this, I think you should reevaluate their promises respecting first party games as well.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by piva00 »

bushbaba wrote: post #355
lelandfe wrote: post #298

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> Q: If the Stadia service is discontinued, do we know what (if anything) will happen with game purchases? > Andrey Doronichev, then Stadia Director of Product: > We get this a lot. I hear you. Moving to the cloud is scary. I felt the same way when music was transitioning from files to streaming. I still have all my old CDs in the garage… although it's hard to find a CD player these days :) > The same happened to Mov…

Funny as stadia might have seen huge adoption IF they didn’t have a reputation of killing services and leaving the service user to hang. Killing of stadia only reaffirms peoples fear to use google products. This includes GCP.

I have definitely avoided Stadia because I wanted to give it some 5 years to see if it wouldn't be another dead Google project. I really didn't want to be right but here we are...

I'm glad to be forever cautious with Google's new products, they've burnt me a few times the past 15 years.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by technofiend »

bdefore wrote: post #403
technofiend wrote: post #362

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>... you still have a working phone You do, but if Google literally dropped support of their phones, you'd never get another security update, so it'd be in your best interest to move although not mandatory like if Stadia shut down. The comparison is about peoples' visceral reaction to Google products when they're disappointed, not specifically when the product is dropped. > What significant things are much better on…

You're proposing then that Google is in a disappointment loop. I think that's much more true for the technologically versed than the broader public. If they shut down Gmail/Maps/YouTube/Chromecast that'd breach the layman dyke, but I can't see them doing that. Google I feel's is this age's General Electric. They already borrowed all the wrong ideas from Jack Welch. Most people, if they dug a bit, just want Google to…

There seems to be widespread unhappiness in tech circles about Google search trending towards an ad delivery system and quality of search results going down. And at least in tech circles a slow exodus via people de-Googling. So yeah I agree with you their main services are popular enough for now. Yet Tik Tok is slowly eclipsing Youtube for watched minutes in some demographics, so some mainstream non-technical users are going where they feel served best. What does that mean for search and e-mail? Again I agree with you: not much until and unless something very compelling comes along.

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Post by vel0city »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #116
spywaregorilla wrote: post #52

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why did you do that?

I'm not the person you asked but I've used stadia as my main gaming "platform" over the last couple years. That they were going to shut it down was obvious from the beginning, people in here bragging about that prediction are fools. It's still by far the best game streaming setup for what I want. I spent about $100 figuring I'd get a year or two out of it and it would be worth it for that. It was. If it continues thr…

Aren't there a lot of current competitors to Stadia? What were the key differentiators to you that Stadia has which those don't?

Xbox Cloud Gaming https://www.xbox.com/en-US/play

GeForce Now https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce-now/

PlayStation Plus https://www.playstation.com/en-us/ps-plus/getting-started/#p...

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by Aeolun »

tempest_ wrote: post #364
Ekaros wrote: post #343

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You know why I keep buying stuff on Steam? This is why... It is putting all the eggs in single basket, but at least it is the sturdiest and oldest basket.

It helps that Valve is privately owned and thus less likely to chase growth over other things. Hopefully when the current owners age out the new leadership will continue as it is.

Honestly, I have no idea what the hell Valve is chasing. They don’t need to chase growth, it comes to them :P

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Post by mattbrewsbytes »

duped wrote: post #330
nickthegreek wrote: post #80

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I had already tried Stadia with Cyberpunk, which was a great experience and better than the console launch of the game. So I actually preordered 2 copies of the Baldurs Gate 3, as I wanted to play with my wife who does not have a gaming computer. I figured $50 gamble was better than a $1,000 computer investment. There was an early access component to the game, which is why I preordered instead of waiting for final re…

I mean why preorder if it's going to be on the cloud? You can always just wait until it's out to buy it

I'm old enough to not play the latest thing when it comes out so the answer to the Preorder? question for me is always a firm No. Many games are flops, have tech issues or look like I might like them but then have an annoying (to me) thing which is evident after release. Then you can check reviews and game play vids to see what its like.

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Post by ShamelessC »

Aeolun wrote: post #418
anonymousab wrote: post #394

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The best part is how he just completely avoided actually answering the question. They simply refused to ever give a clear answer. Because they know the answer, and we know the answer, and it's all bad for them. Rather than engineer a system where the answer could be more positive, they stick their fingers in their ears (the most charitable interpretation).

I don’t understand why he didn’t just respond that your games will be gone. Or at least “in the worst case, your games might be gone”. People aren’t stupid, they know exactly what the evasive answer means, so why evade at all?

It’s Reddit - people _are_ sometimes stupid.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by robotnikman »

hatware wrote: post #386
Gareth321 wrote: post #359

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>Former Director of Product at Stadia. >Former Director of Product at Google AR/VR. >Former Head of Mobile, Group PM at YouTube. Ouch.

Ouch? In todays economy that kind of title inflation can get you places. You might run everything you touch into the ground, but hey who cares?

Sometimes I wish I had the shamelessness some people have, it seems to be a great way to advance your career.
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