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Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by neuronexmachina »

ejb999 wrote: post #36

I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

> I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this

Which of the paper's authors do you believe are beholden to the "self-serving CCP party-line"? Do you see flaws in the paper's analysis, or are you perhaps employing a thought-terminating cliche?

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by Ekaros »

LinuxBender wrote: post #68
ejb999 wrote: post #36

I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

Hypothetically speaking, if it were a lab-leak and if it were a malicious lab tech or an that was mad at the world or compromised by a political actor, they could have dumped/micronize sprayed a vial [1] into the food market which would make the statement not entirely false. This is of course a lazy theory and would be nearly impossible to test out. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksrWmPMZGiY [video, gets NSFW…

On that basis it could have also been attack to discredit China by CIA or like... Release pandemic from China then politically and economically attack them. Entirely something reasonable to consider considering history of USA...

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by stinkass »

hammock wrote: post #61
ejb999 wrote: post #36

I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

That is exactly what pfas manufacturers like 3M and others are doing to gaslight residents of towns all over America, right now

I met a nurse that said one of her family members lived in a small housing development where almost everyone got terminal brain cancer. A certain company that you've heard of handled hazardous materials next door and offered to do the testing in the development. Surprise, no contamination found. And they made it clear that if you implicate them, you'll be contacted by their sizable legal department.

Everyone affected was either dead or bankrupt from paying their family's medical bills. No lawsuits against the company.

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by AlanYx »

flybrand wrote: post #41

The same visual analysis, when showing the location of the lab, could lead to other conclusions. Here’s a link to that, if we’re open to differing perspectives. https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/lie-exposed-bbc-says-covid...

Just to add to this, in the linked paper by Worobey et. al., Fig 2(B) shows something they label as "Centroid of Blue Cases". That centroid appears to be almost squarely on the location of the Wuhan Institute of Infectious Diseases.

For some reason, neither the locations of the Wuhan Institute of Infectious Diseases or the Wuhan Institute of Virology are mentioned in the linked paper.

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by Innominate »

mikeyouse wrote: post #81
drak0n1c wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason for the doubt is that it wasn't transparent nor obvious. The Chinese government retroactively censored the institute's publications, Fall 2019 job postings, staff listings, and internal discussion of new symptoms amongst certain researchers [1]. There is a possibility that there were a few earlier cases than the market ones which were covered up to conceal negligence at the institute. [1] https://www.youtu…

It's just so silly -- we can do genomic analysis to figure out the lineage of every confirmed sample. "There's the possibility" is weasel wording that obscures the fact that there's literally no evidence for earlier cases.

The lack of evidence is from people and information being disappeared by a totalitarian regime. That itself is evidence.

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by mikeyouse »

anewpersonality wrote: post #58

What do the logicians among us conclude? Occam's Razor? I am not smart enough to deduce the truth of all this nonsense.

A virologist did a fairly comprehensive Bayesian analysis. It's long and technical but he's fully on "team zoonotic":

https://protagonistfuture.substack.com/p/natures-neglected-g...

There's fleetingly little evidence of anything aside from a natural origin. This could be consistent with a natural virus collected at the WIV which subsequently escaped, but the multiple lineages at the market makes this extremely unlikely as well.

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by rmetzler »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #57
CWuestefeld wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two are not mutually exclusive. For example, some "theories" say that a WIV employee took animals that had been used in experiments, and sold them at the market. I'm not suggesting this is actually what happened, just that there's plenty of room for involvement from both of these entities (or, perhaps, neither).

You find it more believable that it somehow made sense to sell animals infected with viruses for human consumption than someone made a mistake and got infected with a virus they were doing experiments on?

The Wuhan lab used to catch wild bats and take virus samples from them. It’s not too far fetched someone sold the same bats to the market or was infected and infected other people / living animals there.

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Post by neuronexmachina »

flybrand wrote: post #41

The same visual analysis, when showing the location of the lab, could lead to other conclusions. Here’s a link to that, if we’re open to differing perspectives. https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/lie-exposed-bbc-says-covid...

Other posts from the same author, to help evaluate their overall credibility:

* "Sars-Cov-2 was Lab Made Under Project DEFUSE"

* "Was Sars-Cov-2 DESIGNED to Spawn so Many Variants?"

* "Vaccine Shedding Finally Proven!"

* ""COVID Vaccine Technology" will Make Varroa Mites Infertile"

* "Boosters Now PROMOTE Covid Deaths in Europe"

* "Developmental Disorders in Babies born to Vaccinated Mothers?"

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by azinman2 »

edm0nd wrote: post #86
ejb999 wrote: post #36

I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

The CCP lies about everything from its GDP numbers to COVID infection rate and deaths. You simply cannot believe anything the Chinese government puts out.

This is largely from the NIH.

Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic

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Post by LatteLazy »

systemvoltage wrote: post #89
LatteLazy wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All conclusions are weak because all theories are at least possible and there is no conclusive evidence. Instead of accepting we will never know, people will now tell you with 1000% (1e4) certainty that it was definitely X. They will queue to die on whatever hill their brains have randomly selected. It's like lemmings only they don't actually do that.

No one seems to be doing that. Can you tell us where anyone is claiming with 100% certainty?

The top comment in this thread:

>I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.

Absolutely sure the CCP are lying (I don't trust them either but that's not proof they're lying is it?)

Another comment here:

>I don't believe this to be true. I consider the likelyhood that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the cause of this to be much higher than that the seafood market in wuhan was the cause and there's no reason to trust any media or NGO to be truthful in that regard.

Literally "I don't believe the facts".

That's just this thread, on HN.

It's really concerning, or it was when I thought people could be self governing. /EdgyBS

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