The same visual analysis, when showing the location of the lab, could lead to other conclusions.
Here’s a link to that, if we’re open to differing perspectives.
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/lie-exposed-bbc-says-covid...
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope - HN is one of the worst 'smart' places on the internet for Covid discussion. Every single thread immediately devolves into completely ascientific conspiracy ranting.
This is also not limited to just COVID discussion either. Most things that aren't somehow related to day-to-day software development devolve into unsubstantiated, or ill-informed, "ranting." It's a source of constant disappointment.
> Most things that aren't somehow related to day-to-day software development
And especially the things that are. That's what makes HN special.
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#43No post body was provided.
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#44This was known for two years. Markets are breeding grounds for zoonotic diseases. They often even jump from human to animal and back. The real question is--how did the virus get to the live market? The study accurately says, "While there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred via the live wildlife trad…
> how did the virus get to the live market? My guess is that someone was selling animals from the lab that were supposed to be destroyed.
That is scary…
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Sorry this is an unscientific conclusion. The lab leak is more plausible based on the animals required and known and proposed research at that facility. It's simply another polemic. Without information / data from the lab you cannot claim one is more probable.
> The lab leak is more plausible > you cannot claim one is more probable Am I missing something here?
They cite no data in the paper to support their claims. Outside of the paper there is additional data / reasons to suspect the lab as the source.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Vaccines are drugs that trigger immune system response. Always have been. If you're referring to the CDC changing its layperson definition on https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm , its old definition was wrong and didn't include flu vaccines, among many others.
> Vaccines are drugs that trigger immune system response. Always have been
Not really drugs per se, but at 50k feet yes that's true (but no entirely accurate).
However, the mRNA technology is new, different from traditional vaccines, and effectively untested. Untested until Covid.
This isn't a judgement or a knock. Just a fact.
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#47I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.
It’s painful in that scenario to give complete authority for resolving the nuclear safety issue to (1) the most likely cause of the issue, and (2) a low integrity party that has obscured their role in causation.
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> The lab leak is more plausible > you cannot claim one is more probable Am I missing something here?
Nope - HN is one of the worst 'smart' places on the internet for Covid discussion. Every single thread immediately devolves into completely ascientific conspiracy ranting.
Labeling something as 'conspiracy ranting' is convenient low-brow tactic to dismiss a supported point of view without consideration. This is also a pattern on HN.
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The two are not mutually exclusive. For example, some "theories" say that a WIV employee took animals that had been used in experiments, and sold them at the market. I'm not suggesting this is actually what happened, just that there's plenty of room for involvement from both of these entities (or, perhaps, neither).
It's transparently obvious that the Market was first place where it began to spread in humans - so "neither" isn't an option. The Market was unequivocally involved.
The reason for the doubt is that it wasn't transparent nor obvious. The Chinese government retroactively censored the institute's publications, Fall 2019 job postings, staff listings, and internal discussion of new symptoms amongst certain researchers [1]. There is a possibility that there were a few earlier cases than the market ones which were covered up to conceal negligence at the institute.
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#50I don't believe this to be true. I consider the likelyhood that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the cause of this to be much higher than that the seafood market in wuhan was the cause and there's no reason to trust any media or NGO to be truthful in that regard.
The two are not mutually exclusive. For example, some "theories" say that a WIV employee took animals that had been used in experiments, and sold them at the market. I'm not suggesting this is actually what happened, just that there's plenty of room for involvement from both of these entities (or, perhaps, neither).
I think a more likely lab leak via market theory is that an employee was exposed and then exposed others at the market. As I remember the market is between the lab and some public transit destinations. It would make sense to go through the market on the way home from work.