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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by Kye »

citizenkeen wrote: post #44
rvz wrote: post #27

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Meta already knew Facebook would sink someday. As they have Instagram, they don't care and Meta will be around for another 10 years to extract more from Instagram and their other unused platforms. I'd expect the hype and growth around TikTok to peak once their parent company IPOs, as more corporations, advertisers, mainstream media accounts, move in to the platform to ruin it just like they did with the rest of the o…

Why would ByteDance IPO?

You don't raise almost $10 billion dollars for a steady, stable lifestyle business. You raise almost $10 billion dollars to reach a liquidity event that pays it back to the investors with a huge profit.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by tomlin »

chitowneats wrote: post #161
andyferris wrote: post #155

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What was said is it sounds like bullshit spouted by investors in a pidgin language they made up. Derogatory intent seems doubtful. TIL creole can be a trigger word. I've only heard it used as "a creole language" and have never even heard anyone use the word relating to its original meaning (though I was vaguely aware of it). Personally, I'm more likely to use the word "creole" than "pidgin language", not sure about o…

Creole itself is not a trigger word. Considering it as a poster-child or general term for "bastard", "degenerate", "inbred", or "made-up" way of speaking is the issue. That was the sense I got from the original comment.

Yeah, except no one said that except you. "your sense" and my own words aren't the same, clearly. All of the words you just used to describe "creole" weren't even on my radar. Didn't even know it was a thing. Take a rest, guy.

Also, all languages are "made up".

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by frutiger »

Thorentis wrote: post #456
caseyross wrote: post #145

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It really is weird, isn't it? To have what was essentially a solved problem 10 years ago become... what you described. On Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/LinkedIn, I still have tons of people I'd be interesting in passively keeping up with. Maybe even actively, sometimes. But all that latent sociality is increasingly just dead out of the gate, seeing as I no longer use any of those platforms regularly. My closest friends,…

> A closed, private space that admits no outsiders, marketers, or clout chasers, but strongly discourages developing relationships with new people or expanding one's horizons. Sounds wonderful. This is how the vast majority of humans have experienced socialising for the vast majority of human history. And they were happier for it.

Maybe a social network where you can only have (or follow) a maximum of 30 (or similar) people?

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by tomlin »

keymasta wrote: post #460
chitowneats wrote: post #30

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Sorry, why is creole being referenced here? Is this an inside joke/reference I'm not familiar with? Is it a typo? Edit: Thank you all for the replies. I am aware of and respectful of the literal definition. The usage on the comment I responded to strikes me as either antiquated, inaccurate, or a typo.

I think patois may be a better word

Do you maybe think you've left the actual topic?

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by andsoitis »

simongray wrote: post #527
froidpink wrote: post #508

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Social Media is not going away anytime soon. It'll just take a different form. Just look at TikTok

Why do you consider TikTok to be social media? Isn't it just videos shot in a smartphone aspect ratio + comments and a clever discovery algorithm? Is YouTube also social media?

> Why do you consider TikTok to be social media

A reasonable definition of social media is that it refers to the means of interactions among people in which they create, share, and/or exchange information and ideas in virtual communities and networks. "

In other words, roughly: a medium in which media created and consumed by the crowds vs. institutions.

Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media for a longer description.

> Is YouTube also social media?

Yes. "YouTube is an American online video sharing and social media platform headquartered in San Bruno, California." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by neutronicus »

rtpg wrote: post #509
zdkl wrote: post #336

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Well, the only active users I see anymore are engaged in advertising even if not necessarily for profit. (Self) Promotion always was one of the draws of fb.

Speak for yourself, i know loads of people who use it to keep in touch with family and friends and posting updates every once in a while. There’s a lot of stuff wrong with FB but it’s fundamentally a useful thing where there’s no great alternative (being vaguely aware of what not-so-close acquaintances are doing)

> a useful thing where there’s no great alternative (being vaguely aware of what not-so-close acquaintances are doing)

It has also basically eaten Craigslist where I live (Baltimore)

My wife and I were not Facebook users five years ago, but our neighborhood organizations are on Facebook, and so are the best places to find secondhand stuff. So we're Facebook users.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by gfaster »

simongray wrote: post #527
froidpink wrote: post #508

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Social Media is not going away anytime soon. It'll just take a different form. Just look at TikTok

Why do you consider TikTok to be social media? Isn't it just videos shot in a smartphone aspect ratio + comments and a clever discovery algorithm? Is YouTube also social media?

Yes? Of course? I don't think there is a solid argument against HN being social media either. Same goes with Discord, Telegram, and Signal.

They are all media that you interact with and also interact with others via. The distinction is made with television/radio, where interaction is purely one-way, and is therefore not social media.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by Invictus0 »

hgazx wrote: post #485
nonrandomstring wrote: post #477

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> one day they will simply slink away in the middle of the night leaving several thousand mine workers unemployed and holding the bag. When that day comes, the moment Facebook and Meta are declared dead I will go out, order the most expensive bottle of champagne, and celebrate all night. Future generations of an advanced technological society will look back in horror and disbelief that a small cadre of privateers wer…

The day meta is declared dead will be the day some other corporation has released an alternative to Facebook/Instagram/etc, probably worse. Hardly anything to celebrate. The cat is out of the bag.

You think the whole world will sign up for something like facebook, knowing all we know now, again?

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by andsoitis »

hestefisk wrote: post #533
gommm wrote: post #448

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In Asia, Line seems to be doing well selling stickers which I guess can be a way to monetize a chat app.

Have you ever used Line? It’s the most privacy-invasive app I’ve used after FB. Constantly asks for access to location, contact book, photos etc. Line is mostly popular in Thailand, outside its very much Telegram and WA.

> Constantly asks for access to location, contact book, photos etc.

a) Isn't that reasonable for a chat app? I mean, contact book, photos, location are all things that are likely part of the fabric of your chats with others?

b) It might ask for permission, but does it stop working if you deny permission? (I genuinely don't know since I'm not a user). If it doesn't prevent you from chatting, I don't think this is a strong argument.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by Kye »

concordDance wrote: post #538
Thorentis wrote: post #456

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> A closed, private space that admits no outsiders, marketers, or clout chasers, but strongly discourages developing relationships with new people or expanding one's horizons. Sounds wonderful. This is how the vast majority of humans have experienced socialising for the vast majority of human history. And they were happier for it.

No, it was definitely possible to meet new people. The propagation of these closed spaces worsens the loneliness epidemic, which is way worse than at any point in history.

Closed doesn't mean undiscoverable. The biggest closed group chat I'm in is the Telegram channel for a podcast I listen to, and it's plugged in every episode. Discord has issues, but group chats there are still mostly fed by public activity like subreddits or YouTube channels.

Closed just means you can't open a page and read the full history like a forum. It doesn't mean it's only knowable to people currently inside and people they invite.

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