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The burger is nearly always great, but occasionally it tastes strange. You are not allowed to see the ingredients and the staff suggest you might be able to improve the situation by re-wrapping and re-unwrapping the burger. This does nothing. The senior staff suggest leaving the burger in the fridge overnight and trying again in the morning. This does nothing. None of the staff actually know how to make a burger, but…

I think this thread has transitioned from interesting analogy to just describing Apple's business model with the word burger instead of phone

Now, imagine McDonald's selling phones...

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Attention is zero-sum. If TikTok is winning, someone else is losing. TikTok now is what Facebook was 10 years ago.

Smartphone attention is not zero sum. Average daily usage could increase with some novel super-addictive app or platform. Smartphone usage probably went up during the pandemic.

"Average daily usage could increase" And at some point you just need to increase the hours in a day...

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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It's sad how they aren't instead capitalizing on their niche and going back to their roots, instead choosing to go against TikTok which is probably a futile endeavour because they already grabbed and established that culture.

If I've learnt one thing from social networks, it's that competitors only rarely succeed in capturing another network's niche. Instagram has tried to become TikTok too but few would say the Reels concept is a smashing success... Facebook has tried to be Snapchat as well with ephemereal messaging, but few would say Facebook is known for that and recapturing the youth culture today. Meanwhile, Snapchat still thrives at a more rapid rate than Twitter and Facebook. You can not simply copy features and then the culture will come.

And when Google+ was rising, Facebook desperately tried to introduce more ways to handle your friend lists due to the innovative "circles" of Google+. These features still remain but few today are aware that Facebook posts to Friends aren't seen by friends in your Acquaintances friend list because those are there to only see Public posts... This is an example of a relic from those days but there are other examples too.

Despite the confidence you would expect them to have from having more than a billion users, they are surprisingly unsure of themselves and who they want to be. You can also see it happen with Meta and VR. Is that supposed to now work in tandem with the TikTokification (how? a clip feed is hardly interactive?), or are they still just confused about who they want to be? I wonder how much of it has to do with Zuckerberg himself?

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

Even though the original product is dead, they bought WhatsApp and Instagram, which are far from dead

The original product isn't dead or dying. Maybe in 20 years.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Can someone please explain to me why Facebook shouldn’t be treated as a news publisher? They are now outright choosing what content to show you. This is indistinguishable from opinion or freelance journalism sites.

Facebook is now explicitly deciding which content to allow, editorializing content at will, and dictating the content that you see.

Looks like a news publisher. Sounds like a news publisher. Acts like a news publisher.

Facebook should not receive Section 230 protections any longer.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

> Maybe you can still order the Big Mac if you know to ask for it, but most people won't

Lazy people need to own their laziness. What alternative is there? The UI can’t get infinitely complex.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

> one day they will simply slink away in the middle of the night leaving several thousand mine workers unemployed and holding the bag.

When that day comes, the moment Facebook and Meta are declared dead I will go out, order the most expensive bottle of champagne, and celebrate all night. Future generations of an advanced technological society will look back in horror and disbelief that a small cadre of privateers were allowed to run amok dominating the cultural communications of billions of people. The harms to individuals and society will take decades to reckon with. The lost opportunities for us to evolve instead of "amusing ourselves to death" will be one of the great questions of the future. "Why, while the planet was burning", they will ask, "did people spend all day sending each other selfies?"

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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There's an army of users out there accustomed to and just simply want to see what their friends are up to and posting. Are they as sexy as the bajillion TikTok users out there? No. Are they enough to build a solid business aruond? Yes. Would facebook ever consider stepping up to the plate that built their core business again? No, because Facebook management sucks. I don't give a shit about algorithmic recommendations…

> just simply want to see what their friends are up to and posting People keep saying this is what people want. Show me the numbers that it's true. Because when Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, Youtube etc. all move to this model and stick with it the evidence is clear that it's not want people want.

I'm fairly certain that drug dealers' numbers indicate that people "want" more addictive drugs.

Facebook and other social media isn't quite at that level, but the same logic applies to your argument: there are fundamentally different kinds of "wants", and the drug dealer/social media metrics invariably cater to the unhealthy kind.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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A more important reason that McDonald's has become slow is that they've switched to just-in-time assembly of burgers. They used to have an inventory of burgers, and for most orders, you ordered and the person taking your payments immediately assembled your order. Now there is no buffer, and everything is made fresh.

So far as I've seen here in .uk they still have an inventory and most orders happen that way. (given them being a franchise this may not generalise beyond the locations I visit, of course)

All the locations I've been to in the UK in the past 3 years have the warming trays and don't keep (and so dispose of) fully-prepared inventory.

At the same time they did this they changed to touch-screen ordering and panelled off the 'kitchen'.

Wait times seem much longer to me, I assume they prioritise drive-through.

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