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Post by janfoeh »

Gareth321 wrote: post #429
janfoeh wrote: post #423

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I'm in Germany, and I've always liked McDonalds. I enjoyed eating there maybe a handful of times a year, even when doing so was considered "uncouth" by the majority of the people I know. No more. Why? Because they've stopped selling burgers. They've switched almost all of their restaurants to a "made to order" model, wherein they assemble your order on demand from warming trays, instead of producing them ahead and st…

The margins are better on "premium, made-to-order" food so they do this to justify their increased prices. Unfortunately this is working well for them, and at scale, people don't seem to care about the extra wait: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MCD/mcdonalds/gros... . Another way to look at this is that McDonald's is making customers feel like they're getting restaurant quality food for less money. Persona…

I don't mind that, even if the "experience" might be lost on me. What I do mind is the food being cold.

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Post by kinghtown »

birksherty wrote: post #417
kinghtown wrote: post #373

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I used to be a DJ for a few years and Facebook was useful for organizing and promoting my parties. I’m not interested in getting into a semantic debate if such a need is necessary or good for society, but it was useful for me and many people did want to go to my parties. This is a modest example. Also, people are artists or learning. It’s nice to have a simple and organized way to save your public work online to shar…

> simple and organized way to save your public work online to share with friends I think Instagram still works for that. You can also do that by having a blog. But if anyone needs more than that, it's addiction generated by fb, the red notification, likes, followers, desire to open the app, desire to know what others are doing, gossip, all this kind if things. Fb was pretty effective to create this desire and it perm…

I agree with Instagram being better.. but we are either forgetting, or weren’t present for, the internet just before facebook. It used to be Geocities for sharing amateur art. Instagram exists because of photo sharing on facebook.

My main point is that there are functions or core uses in FB which are worth having.

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Post by raverbashing »

edmundsauto wrote: post #149
robswc wrote: post #127

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Haha, true! Tbh tho I usually only click on a few of the posts on here, the one's that interest me. The signal to noise ratio just seems awful on tiktok, marginally better on reddit and HN. There you can scan the page and see what interests you. On these new "endless scroll" types you have to at least invest a few seconds time into each video. Say you skip ~10 videos, that's ~10 seconds to just find a 10 second video…

Other humans often perceive updates on their friends, family, and connected entities as much more valuable than the discussion we are having. The most important rule for HN is that this forum and the people on it are not representative of the general population.

And that is fine. But that's what there's much fewer on Tiktok than on other social media

In fact tiktok sounds like an endless "$Country's got talent" show, and not a spontaneous stream of posts

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Post by agent008t »

colinsane wrote: post #424
jseliger wrote: post #58

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I want the slow web back Here you go: https://jakeseliger.com/ . Scroll through and note the most interesting or useful venues. Then, there are an array of RSS readers available; I've been using NetNewsWire but think that Feedly seems to be the most common. The "slow web" never left.

> The "slow web" never left. i wish we had usage stats that were as simple as FB or insta’s “monthly active users”. because i feel like there’s an ebb and flow to this. 15 years ago, blogs had comment sections, pingbacks, RSS. 10 years ago, SEO displaced the blog. 5 years ago, blogs grew again with Twitter announcements replacing the role of RSS. today, email lists are back in style and my friends ask me for RSS read…

Exactly. Where are the users? What are the demographics? What places are seeing inflows/outflows of users? IRC, newsgroups, Discord, blogs, HN? Is it true that small message boards are as popular today as in 2005, it's just that the internet overall is bigger so they have a smaller share? Personally it absolutely does not feel true.

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Post by naugtur »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #236
xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

Maybe what someone should do is build a Social Network as a Service. SNaaS. Letting anyone run their own, and turning whatever features they want on or off. You as the service provider take a cut of advertising revenue, or subscription fees, etc.

You mean peer to peer ;)

Keet.io and whatever comes next

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Post by Thorentis »

caseyross wrote: post #145
xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

It really is weird, isn't it? To have what was essentially a solved problem 10 years ago become... what you described. On Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/LinkedIn, I still have tons of people I'd be interesting in passively keeping up with. Maybe even actively, sometimes. But all that latent sociality is increasingly just dead out of the gate, seeing as I no longer use any of those platforms regularly. My closest friends,…

> A closed, private space that admits no outsiders, marketers, or clout chasers, but strongly discourages developing relationships with new people or expanding one's horizons.

Sounds wonderful. This is how the vast majority of humans have experienced socialising for the vast majority of human history. And they were happier for it.

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Post by gw67 »

FB stock returned near IPO price (2017, 150$).

Investors believed for 5 years to the "growth first, profit later" theory. But now, another competitor (TikTok) is stealing their market share and profits for FB will never arrive.

This is also a confirmation that not always focusing on growth will give you confidence on market share.

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Post by tqkxzugoaupvwqr »

xigoi wrote: post #356
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #236

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Maybe what someone should do is build a Social Network as a Service. SNaaS. Letting anyone run their own, and turning whatever features they want on or off. You as the service provider take a cut of advertising revenue, or subscription fees, etc.

I have an even better idea. How about creating a big network where everyone could have their little space and put whatever they want in it? The main method of content discovery would be by adding “links” to other people's places. Since it would be interconnected like a spider web, we could cáll it “the web” or something…

The technical hurdle is too high. A text box and submit button is the maximum if you want to make it accessible to billions of people.

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Post by Idiotfucker »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #413
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> nobody under 30 uses FB any more. well, aren't older eyeballs more valuable anyway? Like more disposable income, maybe more free time for those retired? The mine might be empty some day in the future, but it doesn't seem to be the case right now

I'm no advertising expert but IIRC marketers tend to like the younger demographic because even though older folks have more money they also are wise enough not to spend it on stupid shit they don't need. Unless you're selling a new kind of golf putter or a very expensive prescription medicine for high blood pressure. Then you want the oldsters.

I mean, the big bucks in advertising are coing from established companies anyway right?

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Post by keymasta »

chitowneats wrote: post #30
tomlin wrote: post #24

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> TikTok is really taking over and is a force. So that means what? That other social medias can't exist unless they are on the absolute top? Sounds like a race to the bottom, patched up with investor creole language bullshit.

Sorry, why is creole being referenced here? Is this an inside joke/reference I'm not familiar with? Is it a typo? Edit: Thank you all for the replies. I am aware of and respectful of the literal definition. The usage on the comment I responded to strikes me as either antiquated, inaccurate, or a typo.

I think patois may be a better word
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