Did Facebook ever really need to become such a behemoth? Could they not have been mildly profitable just hosting pictures and helping people stay connected? Would it have been impossible for them to simply keep operating without capitalism's Blob-like need for growth at all costs?
Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
#22Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…
Yeah, apple went from selling personal computers to iPods, phones and headphones, where they make most of the money.... Would you have said the same for Apple back in 2007? Ps. Restaurants change menus all the time.
Aside from iPods, which they have wisely cannibalized themselves with the iPhone, Apple still sells all those items, with headphones a Fortune 500 company all on its own.
It's not that Apple changed its menu, it expanded it.
Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
#23Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…
Sounds awful, but it could be worse. At least the Facebook-managed McDonald's is trying to chase after what most people seem to want. A Google-managed McDonald's would just shut down, even though everyone loves McDonald's, because somebody at Google figured starting a new fast food chain is the best path to a promotion.
Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
#24Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…
It’s not that easy. This is life and death for Facebook. TikTok is really taking over and is a force. It’s also a Chinese company and so they can’t buy it. They are forced to compete, either they do this or become fully irrelevant
> TikTok is really taking over and is a force.
So that means what? That other social medias can't exist unless they are on the absolute top? Sounds like a race to the bottom, patched up with investor creole language bullshit.
Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
#25> TikTok-style "discovery engine" model shares many of the same problems.
> - Posts are even less rooted in a web of social relationship.
> - The larger the crowd, the louder the threshold for speech to be heard.
This is prescient. The "social media" of today is more like Napster than it is like the the early-2000s Facebook:
* People look for content that they want (political rage, softcore pornography, funny videos), with little concern for who it comes from.
* Content is exchanged between peers, but centrally indexed and mediated.
* While the network is ostensibly peer-to-peer, the content exchanged on it is filtered by the central entity according to any policy they see fit.
Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
#26Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…
This isn’t “Taco Bell outsold McDonald’s for six months so all of a sudden McD’s sells McTacos.” This is, “McDonald’s realizes about two years too late that no one wants to eat burgers anymore so in a last-ditch attempt they add tacos to the menu.”
Your analogy doesn't work because people /do/ like Tacos, and people /do/ like Facebook to not be TikTok. The proof is in the active users. Silicon Valley is such a self important circle jerk. You can operate a business, it lose users, and still exist. Christ.
Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not that easy. This is life and death for Facebook. TikTok is really taking over and is a force. It’s also a Chinese company and so they can’t buy it. They are forced to compete, either they do this or become fully irrelevant
Facebook is a sinking ship. It's hard to turn that around. It seems like it would've been easier to go after TikTok with Instagram - which is basically the same product, growing, and still has some brand value.
Meta already knew Facebook would sink someday. As they have Instagram, they don't care and Meta will be around for another 10 years to extract more from Instagram and their other unused platforms.
I'd expect the hype and growth around TikTok to peak once their parent company IPOs, as more corporations, advertisers, mainstream media accounts, move in to the platform to ruin it just like they did with the rest of the other social networking platforms, especially for YouTube and Instagram.
If they don't IPO soon, TikTok will get much worse for their users. Either way, the users will eventually get annoyed by TikTok's changes, pushed and boosted by the company.
Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
#28All the platforms have their own TikTok style mechanism now. YouTube has Shorts, Facebook has its Reels feature which is tightly integrated with Instagram and you need an Instagram account to engage with Reels on Facebook, which is a bit of a growth hacker dark pattern. For now, Reels is not interspersed with ADs which is refreshing, but that could all change.
The whole vertical video craze is a weird one, and one I’ve only recently tried to adjust to. I mean the pace of it is so fast, and I barely have time to process each video before moving to the next one. A whole generation are going to be raised on cheap dopamine hits and will probably suffer mild ADD symptoms because of this.
I want the slow web back where I can chew on long form content and mull over large pieces of text and long winded podcasts, not boiled down snippets of info that prey on my base instincts and giddy 1 minute dopamine fixes.
Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
#29Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…
Sounds awful, but it could be worse. At least the Facebook-managed McDonald's is trying to chase after what most people seem to want. A Google-managed McDonald's would just shut down, even though everyone loves McDonald's, because somebody at Google figured starting a new fast food chain is the best path to a promotion.
I don't think it's what people want, per se. I think it's what some metrics say people want. Might be good for "engagement", but bad for retention in the long term. People were on facebook for the features facebook had.
Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not that easy. This is life and death for Facebook. TikTok is really taking over and is a force. It’s also a Chinese company and so they can’t buy it. They are forced to compete, either they do this or become fully irrelevant
> TikTok is really taking over and is a force. So that means what? That other social medias can't exist unless they are on the absolute top? Sounds like a race to the bottom, patched up with investor creole language bullshit.
Sorry, why is creole being referenced here?
Is this an inside joke/reference I'm not familiar with?
Is it a typo?
Edit: Thank you all for the replies. I am aware of and respectful of the literal definition.
The usage on the comment I responded to strikes me as either antiquated, inaccurate, or a typo.