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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by kukkeliskuu »

It is strange that it is so difficult to be social on a platform that is supposedly "social media". For example, I cannot just follow my friends' feed like I want, the comment editor is often unusable on mobile phone. I cannot send messages to others without installing the app, etc.

Social media facilitates the forming of grassroots movements and this challenges the existing power structures. What Facebook does is curiously well aligned with preventing people from forming grassroots movements.

It does not require a conspiracy for this to happen. It may just be that FB gets pressure from some governments to set up policies that effectively curb down grassroots movements, and if it does not comply, it would get pushed out.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by Banana699 »

rvz wrote: post #27
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is a sinking ship. It's hard to turn that around. It seems like it would've been easier to go after TikTok with Instagram - which is basically the same product, growing, and still has some brand value.

Meta already knew Facebook would sink someday. As they have Instagram, they don't care and Meta will be around for another 10 years to extract more from Instagram and their other unused platforms. I'd expect the hype and growth around TikTok to peak once their parent company IPOs, as more corporations, advertisers, mainstream media accounts, move in to the platform to ruin it just like they did with the rest of the o…

>Facebook would sink someday

That day is very far into the future (in tech terms). 1.96 billion users are a whole fucking lot of a base to bleed. I would bet actual money that they won't dip below 1 billion by 2035, and that they would be still there (in whatever profitable form) with the same trademak in 2050.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by FullyFunctional »

cassianoleal wrote: post #210
stevenjgarner wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those of us in families that are spread over the globe in a dozen time zones and separated in different countries, what other methods of connection even come close to social media? Facebook (and the rest) have provided a way for us to vicariously experience glimpses into each other's lives and in many cases reconnect with people who we never would have otherwise.

I have siblings, cousins and other relatives and friends spread around the globe. We keep in touch over Signal, WhatsApp, FaceTime, Jitsi, Messages... It's a little more work. We don't speak as often as we used to see each other's posts on Facebook but when we do get in touch it's a lot more personal and meaningful. It's not rare either. I speak to some pretty much daily, others weekly to monthly, and others perhaps…

I can't even remember when I deleted my FB account, but my experience matches yours exactly: less but better.

It _is_ a bit of a pain to juggle the matrix of options, but the bulk go through iMessages, Keybase Chat, Twitter, and good ol' mail.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by rightbyte »

caseyross wrote: post #145
xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

It really is weird, isn't it? To have what was essentially a solved problem 10 years ago become... what you described. On Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/LinkedIn, I still have tons of people I'd be interesting in passively keeping up with. Maybe even actively, sometimes. But all that latent sociality is increasingly just dead out of the gate, seeing as I no longer use any of those platforms regularly. My closest friends,…

Interesting take. Me and my friends also moved to group chats. Probably unconsciously to avoid the intrusion.

I guess FB overextended by invading out feeds with ads and "recommendations" rather than gossip about friends.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by baud147258 »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #264
SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

> nobody under 30 uses FB any more.

well, aren't older eyeballs more valuable anyway? Like more disposable income, maybe more free time for those retired? The mine might be empty some day in the future, but it doesn't seem to be the case right now

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by permo-w »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #265
next_xibalba wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you getting this information? AFAIK, 2Q22 earnings (and metrics) are released tomorrow. The whispers I've heard are that any loss of M/DAU is contained to Europe and is caused by Russia going offline.

Ah yes, the familiar "everything is Putin's fault" refrain. He's a bad guy and invading Ukraine is horrible, all the usual caveats. But Putin under every rock and behind every bush being responsible for every toothache and hangnail is getting old.

facebook losing users is a bad thing?

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by Banana699 »

xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

>we build a social network on the blockchain

Mmmmm yes, documenting my shitty cringe opinions in an immutable record forever with the full force of a global distributed hashing network.

Unironically though, imagine where we would be if logging to social media was even a tiny bit more expensive than free, PoW was originally invented to combat email spam after all.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by lelanthran »

petesergeant wrote: post #281
imiric wrote: post #203

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> Facebook is dying because they stopped being Facebook. If they gave what's left of their userbase what they actually wanted (chronological feed, seeing friends posts, not seeing spam, more ways to interact (bring back pets, gifts, superpokes etc)) they'd do ok. I have no horse in this race, but why do you think you know what's better for FB more than the thousands of smart engineers and PMs working there? They clea…

> why do you think you know what's better for FB more than the thousands of smart engineers and PMs working there doubt they're the ones making the big strategic decisions

> doubt they're the ones making the big strategic decisions

Of course not, but I doubt that the ones making these decisions are ignoring the metrics that the thousands of smart engineers are generating.

All the large companies are able to afford extra staff whose job is exclusively to generate and analyse metrics.

It seems a reach to conclude that the company pays thousands of people for a specific output, just to throw that output away. It may happen to one or two of them, but certainly not to all of the people generating the metrics.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by oska »

xwdv wrote: post #282
SoftTalker wrote: post #229

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Then get off the computer and go makes some friends.

There is little to no way to deliberately make friends after age 30. Friends become a much lower priority in adult life. You can meet some people, but they are unlikely to ever ascend to the level of a close friend.

> There is little to no way to deliberately make friends after age 30

This is absolute nonsense in my opinion and more importantly, in my experience

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