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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. Their force sensors are not nearly sensitive enough to stop before causing serious injury. Going fast enough, they can absolutely kill you. This just screams negligence to me. Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. There are robots, called Cobots, designed specifically for this type of environ…

In Russia, losses up to 4% are fine.

Bigotry is against hn policies.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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I wonder why the robot did it. Was it because it was programmed to also be the arbiter? And actively prevent people from making illegal moves? If so the designers are idiots. Or maybe it was a bug and it thought that the finger was a piece? If so the designers make a bug. Still worrisome but at least not plain idiotic.

It probably only checks the state before/after and blindly does the arm movement in between as is usual for these industrial robots, since they can do this quite percisely without active corrections.

I doubt it has any kind of hand or finger detection built in, since all you need is to figure out the board state.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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I assume you are referring to driverless cars. Those aren't inherently unsafe. Neither are six axis robots. As I mentioned, cobots are well suited for this sort of situation. Just to reiterate, I am not trying to make some any sort of statement about the country. I'm just expressing my disgust in how this specific incident was responded to and the multiple failures in oversight leading up to it. Mistakes like this ha…

I'm genuinely curious, because I don't see it. What's the property that makes these robots "inherently unsafe" while driverless cars aren't?

The poster has not stated that robots would be inherently unsafe. (And if they were judged so, it would also be in consideration that humans also are.)

Anyway: the difference is in explicit projectual intention. Some systems are created with a dimension (contextually, safety) as a key performance indicator, some other as just a factor to be sensibly taken into consideration. If you are drawing the project for a plane, a main thing you'll keep in mind is that it will have to stay up; if a toy, safety is required but not part of the function.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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In Russia, losses up to 4% are fine.

There is a quote attributed to Zhukov, Stalin’s army general: “No sparing soldiers, women will give birth to more of them!”

This is a falsely attributed quote. There's zero record of Zhukov (or anyone, particularly none of the various people this quote has been attributed to) saying this. It's a lazy stereotype of the CCCP's strategy during WWII and absolutely incorrect.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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It's not cartoonish, it's the culture. Of course it's not homogenous - you can find a lot of people that go against the mainstream. In a hyper-macho culture you can find males who are shy and sensitive, in an introverted culture valuing privacy and closeness you can find people who are extroverted and exuberant, in a culture where accepting blame is not encouraged you can find a lot of people that will readily do tha…

That explains a Russian traveler I met at an airport once who asked me for bus fare to some tourist destination. I declined and the bus left without him. He and his girlfriend passed me later and he said "Thanks to you we can't go to (wherever).". I couldn't really understand how someone could be that entitled, but if it's more a blame-others-by-default attitude, it makes more sense.

Yes, let's judge an entire culture by a random bus stop experience.

Replace "Russian" with "Black" and this would be considered a racist post.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…

The same culture exists in Poland. Drove on a normal road and an unsecured bar of metal fell on your car from a construction site? Should have watched where you were going. The default stance is always that if something happens to you it's your own fault, should have been more careful. I'd lean towards this being a common thing either in Slavic culture or at least in ex-communist countries for some reason.

Can't confirm as a Pole. Don't want to ask you to dox yourself through an argument, but I'd like to say that it's a lot better nowadays, with the only exception being the Catholic Church's wrongdoings in the countryside.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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You are right about the prison, I guess I missed both the word 'planet' and the prison name and filled in the blank, and made an unjust judgement of the author of the video. 'Seems like you watched 5min to just quickly find something to discredit and immediately dismiss it' That's quite an uncharitable interpretation. You are right about one thing though -- I gave up quite early. "I see no reason why it couldn't be a…

>That's quite an uncharitable interpretation. Agree, that was an uncharitable offhand sentence. I think it was prompted by your uncharitable criticism of the video -- immediately concluding that he's making shit up (rather that thinking it was a mistake or something else) >In the context of judging the American nation as a whole -- of course not. I don't think video is there judge Russian culture as a whole -- and I…

'I think it was prompted by your uncharitable criticism'

Yep, it's only fair.

'nor context of the palmetieri2000 post (he wanted to illustrate that it _can_ be that comical) was about that'

What is 'it' in 'it _can_ be that comical'?

Here I disagree with you -- I interpret 'it can't be that cartoonish' as a reply to 'culture-wide thing' statement. A subculture can be arbitrarily weird, but when a sweeping statement is made about the whole nation it becomes cartoonish.

In this context bringing up a game review is as a valid point as bringing up Manhunt or Postal in a thread about American-wide culture.

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Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.

As in illustration, I'll relay you an actual story that I read from one Russian blogger (who witnessed it himself and I trust him that he did): The scene is a couchette car in an overnight train between two Russian cities (a very popular mode of transport in Russia). It's late at night, so most people are preparing to sleep or sleeping already, so it is pretty quiet. Except for the two slightly drunk guys in one end…

Oh yes, one random thing I read on the internet one time - that's absolutely how it works!

As somebody who's spent time on trains there, Russians were nothing but gracious and hospitable.

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Car accidents and guns are not the same as an automatic robot. You could compare this to tesla. Users are blamed when it's the sole responsibility of user on how that thing can be used.

Eh, even Tesla blames the user and their shady EULA lets them get away with it.

It's the law and courts that let them get away with it, not EULA.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. Their force sensors are not nearly sensitive enough to stop before causing serious injury. Going fast enough, they can absolutely kill you. This just screams negligence to me. Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. There are robots, called Cobots, designed specifically for this type of environ…

In Russia, losses up to 4% are fine.

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