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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by beebeepka »

smsm42 wrote: post #194
birdyrooster wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.

As in illustration, I'll relay you an actual story that I read from one Russian blogger (who witnessed it himself and I trust him that he did): The scene is a couchette car in an overnight train between two Russian cities (a very popular mode of transport in Russia). It's late at night, so most people are preparing to sleep or sleeping already, so it is pretty quiet. Except for the two slightly drunk guys in one end…

That's nothing. I once read an actual story on a US aggregator site.

The scene is a guy whose knowledge of anything outside his country is lacking. A relatively common occurrence around where he's from.

After being bombarded with all kinds of propaganda for decades he'd easily believe almost anything on the topic. Especially after several months of extreme 24/7 antagonism due to a horrible war.

That's how culture works. Supposedly

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by gdy »

palmetieri2000 wrote: post #323
gdy wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right about the prison, I guess I missed both the word 'planet' and the prison name and filled in the blank, and made an unjust judgement of the author of the video. 'Seems like you watched 5min to just quickly find something to discredit and immediately dismiss it' That's quite an uncharitable interpretation. You are right about one thing though -- I gave up quite early. "I see no reason why it couldn't be a…

Considering your lack of charitability you had for my initial comment why would the person you are replying to interpret you as anything other than nitpicky and asinine? You have added nothing to the conversation. Also in what way would this ever be at all related to the context of judging the American nation as anything? The article is about a robot is Moscow and the comment I replied to is discussing if Russian sub…

"the comment I replied to is discussing if Russian subcultures or culture can seem Cartoonish."

Why did you inserted 'subcultures' here?

The smsm42 subverted the discussion of the robot fuckup with a russophobic comment specifically saying 'It's a culture-wide thing' and you were replying to the comment saying 'there is no way they are that cartoonish'.

Nowhere subcultures are mentioned except in your comment where you offered a game review as a source of information about Russian culture ('a really interesting perspective on *at least* some aspects of Russian subcultures and their prominence') and partial confirmation of the 'culture-wide thing' comment.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by moffkalast »

gambiting wrote: post #279
smsm42 wrote: post #90

It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…

The same culture exists in Poland. Drove on a normal road and an unsecured bar of metal fell on your car from a construction site? Should have watched where you were going. The default stance is always that if something happens to you it's your own fault, should have been more careful. I'd lean towards this being a common thing either in Slavic culture or at least in ex-communist countries for some reason.

On the other end you have California where people will sue the state for thousands if they trip on the sidewalk, scraping their knee a bit. I suppose the USA and ex-USSR still remain polar opposites in some respects.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by saiya-jin »

daliusd wrote: post #245
divan wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).

Let’s keep this generalisation to specific countries as this is not true for Baltic countries at all.

Well I heard conflicting info on this one from Baltic states citizens. On one side they are clearly working much more efficiently, as long term economy shows and align more with western approach to things and values.

On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia.

Its not unique to Baltics, I come from former V4 (poland, czechoslovakia, hungary) and we have some variant of that. Legacy of our fucked up russian tyrannical overlords from cold war is still running strong through very fabric of our societies (plus last 20 years of very effective FSB/GRU psy-op to sow hatred and division all around EU to weaken it, allowed by weak politicians like Merkel).

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by mdp2021 »

saagarjha wrote: post #340
daliusd wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s keep this generalisation to specific countries as this is not true for Baltic countries at all.

Let's not generalize about specific countries at all?

This public will probably be able to understand mode (type), median and average - in general.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

I wonder why the robot did it.

Was it because it was programmed to also be the arbiter? And actively prevent people from making illegal moves?

If so the designers are idiots.

Or maybe it was a bug and it thought that the finger was a piece?

If so the designers make a bug. Still worrisome but at least not plain idiotic.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by moffkalast »

gdy wrote: post #250
daliusd wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You meant russorealism ;-)

I don't think so. We have our share of shitty people just like any other nations. Misrepresenting them as something that is innate to Russia is just hate speech or propaganda.

> propaganda

Well you're right, Russia (especially under Putin) has spent a long time presenting itself as the bogeyman of Europe with rampant international threats and assassinations, and now you're surprised people are afraid? That was the whole intention and well congrats, it worked. You don't get to have it both ways so kindly piss off.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by palmetieri2000 »

gdy wrote: post #342
palmetieri2000 wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering your lack of charitability you had for my initial comment why would the person you are replying to interpret you as anything other than nitpicky and asinine? You have added nothing to the conversation. Also in what way would this ever be at all related to the context of judging the American nation as anything? The article is about a robot is Moscow and the comment I replied to is discussing if Russian sub…

"the comment I replied to is discussing if Russian subcultures or culture can seem Cartoonish." Why did you inserted 'subcultures' here? The smsm42 subverted the discussion of the robot fuckup with a russophobic comment specifically saying 'It's a culture-wide thing' and you were replying to the comment saying 'there is no way they are that cartoonish'. Nowhere subcultures are mentioned except in your comment where y…

Another great "Gotcha!" from gdy.

You have made no points worth addressing and contributed nothing to the conversation.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by cpursley »

divan wrote: post #230
drew-y wrote: post #149

This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. Their force sensors are not nearly sensitive enough to stop before causing serious injury. Going fast enough, they can absolutely kill you. This just screams negligence to me. Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. There are robots, called Cobots, designed specifically for this type of environ…

> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).

I understand that a whole lot of people are upset with Russia right now, but this is completely unsubstantiated.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by [deleted] »

foverzar wrote: post #304
krasin wrote: post #248

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>Dude, you are just projecting your spite. This would be laughable if I didn't know you were serious. So it's actually just scary how how you make things up. I lived in Russia for the first 27 years of my life (but I've been out for 11 years). The claimed phenomena definitely existed and was widespread back then. I was an odd duck by being ready to openly accept my mistakes / misdoings, and I was not alone, but that…

I dunno, I see it everywhere, really. Owning you mistakes seems to be a rare and cherished virtue everywhere. Besides, my point is that such way of reasoning and inducting from a broken finger towards a whole culture is nothing more than spiteful supremacism.

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