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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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No it’s spot on. Check the response by the chess association. They blame the boy. In Russia, it’s your fault and there will be bureaucratic treacle to wade through instantly. I’ve worked with many people from that region over the years and dated one and it’s absolutely right. It’s also why lots of people left.

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> and also project bad dating experience

Um what? Maybe you should step away from the internet for a while?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Your complaint about this thread making heated overgeneralizations is valid. It's not fair to generalize a single incident as being representative of an entire culture.

Which is ironic, because you then go on to make a similar mistake with inflammatory statements like this:

> I know where that way of reasoning had led you and what you did towards Jews, Romani, Black people, Latinos and Arabs. You sick duplicitous facists.

I know it is frustrating. But let's try to keep this a civil discussion.

> One even considers that one day they might be forced to switch from civilian engineering towards the military one, since these behavior patterns all all too familiar.

What are you implying here?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.

This videogame review from a YouTube channel called Warlockracy is actually also a really interesting perspective on at least some aspects of Russian subcultures and their prominence, I found it a surprisingly insightful social commentary wrapped up in an entertaining vid. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_PiXLVaJ8 (~45mins) The second video is more serious but also rather interesting (clips from it became very p…

>I found it a surprisingly insightful social commentary

And how did you determine that it is insightful?

The video starts with the guy confidently saying that Alcatraz is a nickname of a Moscow prison (!!!), apparently having no clue that the Russian name of the game doesn't have anything to do with prisons and the name 'Planet Alcatraz' is given to the English edition of the game. If you have no idea what you talking about -- just make things up, right?

Should I find Manhunt or Postal to be a mirror of American culture? "Interesting perspective", "insightful social commentary"?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Video #2 should be required watching for anyone joining the conversation about the Russia - Ukraine war. Martti J. Kari (the lecturer) spent his whole career in the Finnish military studying Russia. The Russian mentality is _really_ hard to understand for a generic westerner. Russia has been lead by a conservative leader for 200-300 years. Lead by an autocratic leader (Tsar) for a good thousand years. The next Tsar w…

There was almost nothing “conservative” about Leninism. The same goes for Stalinism. Your comment actually just made me want to but “The Atheist Manual” (or something similar, can’t remember the exact title) that was published in 1950s USSR and which I found in a Romanian translation in an antique bookshop that I usually frequent.

One has to distinguish between early revolutionaries - who had many weird ideas to overhaul everything, from the calendar to the family structure to the language to the alphabet to how the art is done (in that latter they actually produced some interesting results that didn't end up in blood, tears and mass murder, too bad it happened in many other areas). They definitely weren't conservative by any measure. But, once Bolsheviks took power and consolidated, their regime was as conservative as the Tsar's - including promoting the same conservative values the early revolutionaries raged against. People in power have much different interests than people trying to overthrow the power, you know - even if those happen to be the same people at different times. The time it happened has been somewhere contemporaneous with the power transition from Lenin (largely disabled and unable to control anything for the last year of his life, but being severely ill even before) to Stalin.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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If that is the official statement of the federation, I agree it's abysmal. But i question whether Lazarev really blurted all of that in one go, or if he was asked a series of leading questions and then his answers were misleadingly pasted together to make him sound as callous as possible.

To be clear, any answer short of, "this was a failure on our part to protect the children who attended, and as the leader of the organization, responsibility falls on me. We will make this right for the family and I will tender my resignation" is not adequate.

>> I will tender my resignation

whats with this attitude?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…

The same culture exists in Poland. Drove on a normal road and an unsecured bar of metal fell on your car from a construction site? Should have watched where you were going. The default stance is always that if something happens to you it's your own fault, should have been more careful. I'd lean towards this being a common thing either in Slavic culture or at least in ex-communist countries for some reason.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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This videogame review from a YouTube channel called Warlockracy is actually also a really interesting perspective on at least some aspects of Russian subcultures and their prominence, I found it a surprisingly insightful social commentary wrapped up in an entertaining vid. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_PiXLVaJ8 (~45mins) The second video is more serious but also rather interesting (clips from it became very p…

Video #2 should be required watching for anyone joining the conversation about the Russia - Ukraine war. Martti J. Kari (the lecturer) spent his whole career in the Finnish military studying Russia. The Russian mentality is _really_ hard to understand for a generic westerner. Russia has been lead by a conservative leader for 200-300 years. Lead by an autocratic leader (Tsar) for a good thousand years. The next Tsar w…

Three or four parties could easily happen in the USA of they'd change their electoral system. FPTP system and lack of culturally divergent regions (like Scotland in the UK) is the reason there are no third / fourth powers. If, say, half of Congress were elected by party lists, there'd be a lot of political diversity fast.
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