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A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by sacrosancty »

smsm42 wrote: post #173
birdyrooster wrote: post #96

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Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.

It's not cartoonish, it's the culture. Of course it's not homogenous - you can find a lot of people that go against the mainstream. In a hyper-macho culture you can find males who are shy and sensitive, in an introverted culture valuing privacy and closeness you can find people who are extroverted and exuberant, in a culture where accepting blame is not encouraged you can find a lot of people that will readily do tha…

That explains a Russian traveler I met at an airport once who asked me for bus fare to some tourist destination. I declined and the bus left without him. He and his girlfriend passed me later and he said "Thanks to you we can't go to (wherever).". I couldn't really understand how someone could be that entitled, but if it's more a blame-others-by-default attitude, it makes more sense.

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Post by krisoft »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #153
pg_bot wrote: post #143

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lol yes that robot shouldn't be that close to that human.

Then how about Germans? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTWM7LA540Y

That also looks supper sketchy and dangerous. Happy now?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by drew-y »

foverzar wrote: post #233
drew-y wrote: post #149

This is appalling. There is no world in which an industrial robot like that should be operating next to a child. Their force sensors are not nearly sensitive enough to stop before causing serious injury. Going fast enough, they can absolutely kill you. This just screams negligence to me. Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. There are robots, called Cobots, designed specifically for this type of environ…

> Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. Whut. What makes you think anyone did?

> The child moved the figure, then the robot must be given time to react. But the boy was in a hurry and the robot grabbed him. We have nothing to do with the robot,” commented Moscow Chess Federation President Sergey Lazarev.

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Post by 88840-8855 »

benj111 wrote: post #239
foverzar wrote: post #233

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> Cannot believe they tried to blame it on the child. Whut. What makes you think anyone did?

"moved a piece on the chessboard earlier than he should"?

Guess what, that's not blame, but en explanation of the bug.

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Post by notch656a »

foverzar wrote: post #238
divan wrote: post #230

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> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).

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Um the discussion was revolving around a chess tournament organized (by admission of the moscow chess open website) part of the Russian government. As you know, Russian government right now has been agressively sending tanks into neighboring nations with the very flags of the USSR, including the hammer and sickle, while that same government goes on 45 minute tirades about restoring the glory of uniting former soviet satellites. So you know this discussion about the policies of the chess organizers, the russian government, has a lot to do with the USSR.

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Post by TylerLives »

smsm42 wrote: post #225
carbadtraingood wrote: post #218

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Is it? Is the culture of Paris fairly homogenous? New York? London? Berlin? I would imagine the place has some shared cultural understandings, generally, but that a big city is going to be much more heterogenous. But maybe I'm thinking too micro scale.

You need to realize though the West has embraced multiculturalism, largely. Russia has not. It does not mean there are no diverse cultures in Russia - or even Moscow, but it does mean there is one dominant culture, and closer you get to the places where power is accessible, the more dominant and more exclusive it becomes. There are various cultures found in Moscow (and any big city in Russia), but there is also the C…

What is the "culture of power", can you give some examples? And what are your pronouns?

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Post by iasay »

foverzar wrote: post #238
divan wrote: post #230

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> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).

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No it’s spot on. Check the response by the chess association. They blame the boy. In Russia, it’s your fault and there will be bureaucratic treacle to wade through instantly.

I’ve worked with many people from that region over the years and dated one and it’s absolutely right.

It’s also why lots of people left.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by GistNoesis »

A few questions :

I'm not sure of why did the robot stop ?

Is the robot controlled by the tablet we see at the top ?

It seems a human that is not the robot operator panicked and pressed something (on-screen emergency stop button ?). Did the robot stop because it detected an excess force/failure to reach position, and is in fact not stopped and trying to reach position (aka crushing finger till the claw reach its closed position ?).

If e-stop was pressed, what would have happened if no-one pressed the e-stop ? would the kid have been dragged across the board then released a few seconds later when the piece would have been dropped ?

How much force is there in the claw of this robot ? What happens when the e-stop is pressed, does the robot fall limp or does it hold position with power in the motor or does it hold position because it is not back-drivable ?

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