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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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That’s not how it work, is it? You can trick people into installing Chrome, and once that’s done, they won’t switch back, unless Apple tries to trick them. I can already hear the outcry when that happens.

That's kinda arguing for keeping people chained in the basement because they have a high chance of getting mugged if they get outside.

Except it's kinda hyperbolic beyond good faith.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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I'm very interested to see how this will affect closed gaming platforms like Nintendo, Sony, etc. Personally I'd love to be able to install an itch.io app on my switch and play some silly indies.

If this law doesn’t force the consoles to open up, it will prove that it was not grounded in real principles. Consoles are computers, just as surely as an iPhone is.

It doesn’t, it’s been carefully boundary-set so that it only impacts a small handful of large US tech companies. They probably would have just come out and written their names in explicitly into the law (like Australia did a while back), except that sort of thing is frowned upon.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Most car infotainment systems ship with Linux, just they don't let you change it, which might be a GPL violation.

But what if that system had a small app store? Now it should allow any app store and apps to be installed?

Sounds good to me.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#794

I'm very interested to see how this will affect closed gaming platforms like Nintendo, Sony, etc. Personally I'd love to be able to install an itch.io app on my switch and play some silly indies.

What's the point of producing low margin hardware if you don't control the sales on this platform?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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I don’t see how your walled garden is threatened by giving Melbourne Trams the ability to use the NFC chip in my phone to pay for rides. Or threatened by Amazon having the ability to add an in-app purchase button to their iPhone app which uses my saved Amazon payment options. I’m sure apple will fight this tooth and nail, but it’s my phone. I paid for it. I want to be able to do what I want with my device.

Why can't Melbourne Trams use the standard contactless payments that everyone else already uses?

Yeah this doesn't make sense to me. I've used my iPhone with NFC to pay for transit in multiple cities in multiple countries, I don't see any reason Melbourne Trams can't implement it too.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Safari is possibly the biggest competitor to chrome, since Firefox is falling out of use. It’s important for the ecosystem to have a strong competitor who isn’t dependent on google

Safari is only a competitor because folks don't have a choice. This would force Apple to actually compete against Chrome by giving users a reason to keep using Safari.

You know what Google is doing with Chrome, right? Adding APIs for battery status, USB access, etc. will lead to more information about your device ending up in their possession.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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does anyone know when the messaging interoperability comes into force? i am really anxious to have this work finally

You're really anxious to have infinite amounts of spam from bridged messaging services that noone can do anything to stop?

>that noone can do anything to stop

I think clicking the button that says "only accept messages from my contacts" on the messaging service of your choice ought to solve that problem

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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What HackerNews thinks will happen: "zomg, I will finally be able to run Arch on my iPhone!" What will actually happen: "honey, something is wrong with my phone, whenever I unlock it, a popup jumps up that says 'Please update the Adobe™ Updater™ to get up to date Adobe™ Software Updates', could you take a look at it?"

So true. On my Pixel phone, which allows alternate app stores, I had to update the Adobe Updater to update Adobe Reader, Epic EpicStore to update Fortnite Update Store to update Fortnite, TenCent Store to update Grindr, and finally F-Droid Pro Max Store to update Signal. Why do I have to download so many app stores on Android!!

Fortnite is not on the Google Play store because Google used their market dominance to force them to pay 30% commission or leave.

This is exactly the bad duopolistic behaviour this act is trying to break open.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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I do wish iPhones could use alternate browser engines and bypass the Apple 30% cut, but the fact I'm having to click through one of those stupid cookie dialogs on this page just leaves the bad taste in my mouth of how much the EU regulation screwed up the internet the last time they made a change like this. Not saying I want tracking cookies everywhere, but they should have just made tracking cookies illegal outright…

I left Europe before the full enforcement of this cookies dialog and everytime I spend time there I'm like: how can anyone accept this state of affairs

More and more website do not have this Cookie warning simply because they choose to not collect enormous amounts of user data.

One example: https://github.blog/2020-12-17-no-cookie-for-you/

The cookie law could've been better but there's not law that says you need this banner, only that you need it if you collect an unnecessary amount of data from your users.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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It also starts to bother me quite a bit when we go from treating everyone equal before the law to creating certain requirements based on other factors. Further it seems more like a moat to keep anyone else from getting as big as these "digital gatekeepers" are as suddenly when you get to a certain size you have an enormous expense. If these companies really are that large that they have to get special laws for them i…

I don’t think the EU has the ability to break up American companies. I guess they could try to ban them from operating in the EU, but that would pretty much nuke diplomatic relations with the US so it’s hard for me to see it happening.

Well, they can leave the market. But the problem here is, that the EU concepts are often adapted elsewhere (e.g. GDPR is more or less adopted by California) especially, since these regulations often make sense and are not too political/onesided. GDPR - while we all hated it - make sense. This DMA - while it is extremely hurtful for the gatekeepers - make sense for the users.
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