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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by idle_zealot »

parasense wrote: post #196
mehdix wrote: post #3

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Is this potentially breaking apple's walled garden? I wonder wether they will comply at all. Besides, I'm glad to see interoperability mentioned there, perhaps one day we could text from one messenger to another one without being held back by the owner.

> Besides, I'm glad to see interoperability mentioned there, perhaps one day we could text from one messenger to another one without being held back by the owner. By forcing message passing platforms to submit to sharing private encryption keys? And that interoperability entailing the possibility of passing messages to government eavesdropping schemes? Sounds like a utopian paradise!

> forcing message passing platforms to submit to sharing private encryption keys?

Why assume that requirement? For E2E encrypted messaging services all that needs to be shared are public keys for interoperability to work.

In the case of middleman encrypted messaging you already trust the provider not to sell you out. If they interoperate then you trust N providers, where N is the number of providers engaged in a particular chat thread.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by carapace »

KerrAvon wrote: post #369
makeitdouble wrote: post #319

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If that’s really how it rolls out, doesn’t it also mean that Safari wasn’t viable on itself and nobody wanted to use it in the first place ? Apple is no underdog anymore, if their browser couldn‘t compete on its own merit I won’t be crying a river over it. Firefox, while mired with its own problems, is another story; but I don’t see Mozilla losing from this decision.

The problem with all of this shit is that the EU is only measuring sentiment from developers, not end users. End users are happy with Safari. Developers are the only ones who care about any of the rest of this.

If the users prefer Safari they can keep using it, no?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by trasz »

avgDev wrote: post #291
philliphaydon wrote: post #240

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> Apple AirPlay is just pure trash, so I have to use chromecast. What's trash about it? Never had any issues with it, ever. > My Apple watch keeps bugging out and notifying me few minutes late and requires restart of both devices. Bugging out and notifying you a few minutes late for what? I get text messages on my watch at exactly the same time as my phone. > The device keeps connecting to open networks while my reme…

AirPlay doesn't connect, disconnects and cannot reconnect. This is far from working. Chromecast is MUCH MUCH more reliable. Just go look on forums. The delayed notifications are also pretty common and addressed on many forums, even on apples. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7022042 https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/comments/jj8wpv/slowdela... The lens glare is extremely common on iphone 12/13, and I did NOT ha…

One time I’ve seen a similar problem was due to my home router screwing up multicast.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by InTheArena »

This looks like bad news for Apple, much more so then for Google. It doesn't really address Google's ad-driven ecosystem, but goes hard after the app store and hardware differences where apple has prioritized privacy rather then ad-spend.

I don't see a alternative to apple the to emulate Google and ditch privacy in favor of ad-tech after looking at the text.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by avgDev »

philliphaydon wrote: post #374
avgDev wrote: post #291

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AirPlay doesn't connect, disconnects and cannot reconnect. This is far from working. Chromecast is MUCH MUCH more reliable. Just go look on forums. The delayed notifications are also pretty common and addressed on many forums, even on apples. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7022042 https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/comments/jj8wpv/slowdela... The lens glare is extremely common on iphone 12/13, and I did NOT ha…

I usually avoid using apple.com discussions as 'evidence'... > The lens glare is extremely common on iphone 12/13, and I did NOT have glare this bad on my other devices. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253200214 You can go rent a $5000 DSLR Camera and a $10,000 lens and /still/ get lens glare, and it can be much worse. That's why people sometimes shoot with a polarizing filter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pola…

Chromecast works ON ALL my devices TVs included, again unlike AirPlay.

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Post by MichaelCollins »

microtonal wrote: post #213
turbinerneiter wrote: post #200

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That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. This however isn't a reason for the rest of the world to accept this. And since the power in the market is highly concentrated and all of it is moving more and more in this direction, regulation enforces these alternative options now. All this does is regulate the power the provider of a product has over their customer. This does not ruin the walled garden for the…

That's fine, just stay on the default settings then. I agree in principle, but I worry that we end up in the situation where if you need to use a particular app, you can only get it from a third-party store that you don't trust. (Something gross like Facebook starting an app store.) Or course, this is mostly a result of Apple being greedy. If they had acted like a good steward of the platform rather than trying to ex…

I have never needed to install an app from Facebook, and never have. Amazon has an appstore; I have never been forced to install it or anything from it. Should the day come when people are actually forced to use any facebook app or appstore, that compulsion is the problem that needs to be corrected. The problem isn't having the option to install a facebook app; the compulsion is the problem.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by InTheArena »

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

This is much more negative then for Apple then google. Google subsidizes their (far less profitable) app ecosystem by selling user data in the form of advertisements. While there is language about Google having to share marketing response rates, it doesn't prohibit this practice.

Apple on the other hand makes their money by targeting features (privacy, integration, etc) that people pay more for.

Apple will have to transition to a more ad-tech focus in order to compete in Europe under this infrastructure.

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Post by kaoD »

paganel wrote: post #355
toyg wrote: post #309

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Considering these giants pay very little tax and employ very small numbers in the European tech sector, "there is way" indeed.

They pay so little tax exactly because they’re US behemoths. Again, the EU has a very weak hand in here, it’s not like these decisions are implemented in a vacuum.

Well the US has a strategic interest on EU using their spyware.

They're slowly losing their grasp on EU (e.g. threats regarding Nord Stream 2 in 2021). This could slowly turn into Cold War II and this time around it doesn't look like the US is capable of/willing to carry out a Marshall Plan if things turn ugly energy-wise. EU is starting to realize how they're puppets to the US and an economic war is being waged on their soil. The US is not the reliable partner that it used to be.

Russia is not looking good but neither is the US. China is going to slowly eat the european cake if they play their cards well as they're already doing in Africa.

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Post by trasz »

onion2k wrote: post #349
tgv wrote: post #114

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> User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default Hello, Alphabet world domination. They finally get the chance to get rid of that pesky Safari. Next stop: obligatory sign-in for using a service.

Hello, Alphabet world domination. They finally get the chance to get rid of that pesky Safari. Next stop: obligatory sign-in for using a service. I bet that Chrome adoption on iOS remains under 25% forever. People just don't care which browser they use so long as the default one works. Safari isn't so bad that people are desperate to replace it.

Until google breaks things on other browsers on purpose again.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by lapetitejort »

fbanon wrote: post #192

What HackerNews thinks will happen: "zomg, I will finally be able to run Arch on my iPhone!" What will actually happen: "honey, something is wrong with my phone, whenever I unlock it, a popup jumps up that says 'Please update the Adobe™ Updater™ to get up to date Adobe™ Software Updates', could you take a look at it?"

So true. On my Pixel phone, which allows alternate app stores, I had to update the Adobe Updater to update Adobe Reader, Epic EpicStore to update Fortnite Update Store to update Fortnite, TenCent Store to update Grindr, and finally F-Droid Pro Max Store to update Signal. Why do I have to download so many app stores on Android!!
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