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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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all pretty sound, aside from 'interoperability on instant messenger', which would be incompatible with privacy / security obligations from the providers.

Wonder how hard US govt will bat for the US tech, leverage is there vs the EU post Putin invasion of Ukraine

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Or how about Apple crippling their own device whenever someone wants to do any of these things?

Sounds like a big fine for Apple.

How do you prove it if the performance difference is noticeable but small?

And I don't think any of the big companies is afraid of yet another fine.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This almost sounds too good to be true. What are the odds of this being watered down, or being delayed into eternity?

My worry is that it will just not be enforced, just like the GDPR. The GDPR wasn’t watered down but in the end it just wasn’t enforced (at least not enough) against the biggest offenders it was meant to regulate.

https://www.enforcementtracker.com/

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This bring more choiche power to the final user. But are final users always in position to make such choiches? Do the final user always have the competence? If you open the app store walled gardens good things can enter, but even bad things. Today if you buy an iPhone to you son you sure that apps are reviewed by Apple. With this ACT, nor Apple, nor other provider can give you this certainty of app moderation.

So your stance is folks don't deserve freedom because you feel you know better. Such a recipe for a great time.

People are free to choose something different from Apple, something more open like Google or even more like a Opensource Linux Phone. But are free to choose something closed like Apple if they want it and better fit needs. After the ACT a closed option such Apple ecosystem cannot exist anymore.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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It blows my mind how many people have bought into Apple's position on this. No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security. You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. If you're not confident in your ability to tell shady from legit, just stick to the App Store. Don't demand that Apple treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.

>You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software.

For whatever reason, my dad cannot choose to not install shady software. Keeping him in iOS land is the only thing that has worked at keeping his devices clean.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Can I now install Linux on an iPhone?

You already can have a phone running GNU/Linux (Librem 5 or Pinephone) though.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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It blows my mind how many people have bought into Apple's position on this. No, Apple restricting your freedom does not afford you greater security. You, as an adult, can choose not to install shady software. If you're not confident in your ability to tell shady from legit, just stick to the App Store. Don't demand that Apple treat the rest of us like children just because that's how you would like to be treated.

This is a very myopic view of what it’s like for the elderly and less tech savvy. Most aren’t capable of telling the difference and yet they constantly find themselves unknowingly getting scammed. I take it you’ve never had to clean out a horribly malware infested computer for a mother-in-law before?

While this is certainly a problem, I don't accept it as an argument for why we all have to be locked in the walled garden. Just add a system setting that controls the walls. Let people disable it if they want, and tell your mother-and-law to never ever disable it no matter what. If you're worried that they'll be tricked into disabling it, then they probably should not be in control of a bank account or anything else serious anyway.

Anyway, this isn't really relevant to this regulation. People already get scammed on iPhones all the time. It's silly to think that anybody would be more vulnerable as a result of the DMA.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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I'm conflicted about the app stores. On the one hand, a non-modifiable single point of sale tied to the OS, with rules to prevent private data (and private API) access, is good and reduces data risks to me personally and society as a whole. On the other hand, I'm not an American, I don't live or work in America, and the users of my five most recent published apps have not been in the USA, so I've never been happy abo…

History is full of examples of malware slipping through and app review processes leaking everywhere, the non modifiable single point of sale is not there to benefit you.

> malware slipping through and app review processes leaking everywhere,

"It's not perfect" != "It doesn't benefit me"

(For other examples from my life: clothes, driving licenses, voting, spam filters, and the Medicines & Healthcare products Regulatory Agency).

> the non modifiable single point of sale is not there to benefit you.

That probably wasn't the original point of it, but it does have the effect of protecting me.

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