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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Wonder if this will also apply outside the EU (e.g. now Britain)

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#72

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

This almost sounds too good to be true. What are the odds of this being watered down, or being delayed into eternity?

My worry is that it will just not be enforced, just like the GDPR.

The GDPR wasn’t watered down but in the end it just wasn’t enforced (at least not enough) against the biggest offenders it was meant to regulate.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#73

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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I understand the negative responses to your comment as I prefer the freedom to run whatever I want on my computers/devices, but I’d like to mention that I do see your point because we do not live in isolation:

If a friend or relative wants a phone, for now I can recommend them an iPhone and be free of the drama that would ensue if (when!) they installed any of those sketchy things you mention, which not only would for instance spy on their messages, but also get anything I send them in addition to my contact data. And then I’ll have to do technical support to mitigate the consequences.

Other situation when this freedom will be a problem would be peer/boss pressure to install some crap that they like to use for messaging for instance.

Unfortunately, others installing garbage in their computers/devices affects me too. That’s a social problem, and there is no simple solution for it.

I’d still choose freedom.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#74
Does anyone know if the definition of "gatekeeper" extends to infrastructure services like AWS or Cloudflare?

> A small number of large undertakings providing core platform services have emerged with considerable economic power that could qualify them to be designated as gatekeepers pursuant to this Regulation. Typically, they feature an ability to connect many business users with many end users through their services, which, in turn, enables them to leverage their advantages, such as their access to large amounts of data, from one area of activity to another. Some of those undertakings exercise control over whole platform ecosystems in the digital economy and are structurally extremely difficult to challenge or contest by existing or new market operators, irrespective of how innovative and efficient those market operators may be

Sure sounds cloudy to me

edit: it seems to be explicitly covered:

Article 2

> (1) ‘Gatekeeper’ means an undertaking providing core platform services, designated pursuant to Article 3;

> (2) ‘Core platform service’ means any of the following:

> (i) cloud computing services;

Article 3

> 1. An undertaking shall be designated as a gatekeeper if:

> (a) it has a significant impact on the internal market;

> (b) it provides a core platform service which is an important gateway for business users to reach end users; and

> (c) it enjoys an entrenched and durable position, in its operations, or it is foreseeable that it will enjoy such a position in the near future.

This act sounds like the US tech equivalent of Thor's hammer

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#75

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

This almost sounds too good to be true. What are the odds of this being watered down, or being delayed into eternity?

Or how about Apple crippling their own device whenever someone wants to do any of these things?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, extremely low. The DMA has passed final debate and review, so it's not changing now. The last step is basically a formality. The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. The level of abstraction is just too large. Apple, Google, Amazon, et al., can wage a PR campaign, but it's highly unlikely to succeed.

> The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. For how long, I wonder, given the megacorps have financial resources on par with entire nations, and the EU has been taking some pretty strong stances on topics of interest to them? Or will the megacorps at some point just decide Europe's no longer worth the trouble to operate in (probabl…

> Or will the megacorps at some point just decide Europe's no longer worth the trouble to operate in

Companies will put up with almost anything if there’s money to be made there.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#77
Nice, this means i might consider buying an iPhone again at some point. I have an old iPod Touch but since it has been long abandoned by Apple it is practically useless - i can't even use it as a music player despite it obviously being perfectly capable of that. I've given up on Apple devices considering i can't even install another OS on their Macs too nowadays so i can at least use up-to-date software.

(technically i know it can be jailbroken but the process is so annoying and requires downloading some old version of iTunes from who knows where - so obviously i'd rather have that sort of functionality officially supported)

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#78

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Wonder if this will also apply outside the EU (e.g. now Britain)

Surely that's at each company's discretion.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#79

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Does it mean Google will have to enable call recording APIs on Android? That would be sweet. Currently none of call recording apps work on my phone and this is a must have feature for me. When I take a call with my doctor I have to use my separate memo recorder, so that I can refer to the call in the future if I forget something. Let's not mention usefulness of this feature when you are placing orders over the phone…

> If I could record a call I had evidence in case of dispute.

It might not be legal to do that, in all cases, and the evidence might not be valid.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

#80
post #41

So when I attempt to install the Amazon play store on my iPhone, will I get the following scary message? "WARNING: You are about to install non-approved software which may be malicious or a virus. If this software causes damage to your iPhone we will not fix your device, even if it is still under warranty. Are you really sure you want to continue?"

My reading of the legislation is that this kind of message is only permissible if the Gatekeeper also includes that message when installing the native equivalent. The legislation requires that on initial setup of the device, the user be given a choice of services like browsers, and the Gatekeeper cannot unfairly prejudice competitors by, for example, including such a warning for only the competitors.
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