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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by indigochill » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 12:54 PM UTC

Gareth321 wrote: post #20

rvschuilenburg wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This almost sounds too good to be true. What are the odds of this being watered down, or being delayed into eternity?

IMHO, extremely low. The DMA has passed final debate and review, so it's not changing now. The last step is basically a formality. The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. The level of abstraction is just too large. Apple, Google, Amazon, et al., can wage a PR campaign, but it's highly unlikely to succeed.

> The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations.

For how long, I wonder, given the megacorps have financial resources on par with entire nations, and the EU has been taking some pretty strong stances on topics of interest to them? Or will the megacorps at some point just decide Europe's no longer worth the trouble to operate in (probably not the worst outcome)?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by rpadovani » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 12:54 PM UTC

Lovely. The EU is a behemoth that takes years to proceed, but I really like that they are still trying to fight for consumers' digital rights.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by akmarinov » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 12:54 PM UTC

fbn79 wrote: post #25

DandyDev wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain why this is a bad thing?

This bring more choiche power to the final user. But are final users always in position to make such choiches? Do the final user always have the competence? If you open the app store walled gardens good things can enter, but even bad things. Today if you buy an iPhone to you son you sure that apps are reviewed by Apple. With this ACT, nor Apple, nor other provider can give you this certainty of app moderation.

Apple currently let through tons of malicious apps that hit you with a $1000 subscription, so they’re not the best at it either.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by varispeed » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 12:55 PM UTC

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Does it mean Google will have to enable call recording APIs on Android?

That would be sweet. Currently none of call recording apps work on my phone and this is a must have feature for me. When I take a call with my doctor I have to use my separate memo recorder, so that I can refer to the call in the future if I forget something.

Let's not mention usefulness of this feature when you are placing orders over the phone and then the other party claims this is what I wanted once they deliver something not as agreed. If I could record a call I had evidence in case of dispute.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by anonymousab » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 12:55 PM UTC

I wonder if this will affect game consoles as well. They have software markets but they are extremely specific and targeted. In terms of size, I'd think that Microsoft and maybe Sony would reach the threshold.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by momos » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 12:56 PM UTC

fbn79 wrote: post #25

DandyDev wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain why this is a bad thing?

This bring more choiche power to the final user. But are final users always in position to make such choiches? Do the final user always have the competence? If you open the app store walled gardens good things can enter, but even bad things. Today if you buy an iPhone to you son you sure that apps are reviewed by Apple. With this ACT, nor Apple, nor other provider can give you this certainty of app moderation.

Your son can also open the door to strangers and let them in or can stab himself with a knife or fork. What are we going to do to make knives, forks and doors more secure?

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by riffraff » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 12:56 PM UTC

Gareth321 wrote: post #20

rvschuilenburg wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This almost sounds too good to be true. What are the odds of this being watered down, or being delayed into eternity?

IMHO, extremely low. The DMA has passed final debate and review, so it's not changing now. The last step is basically a formality. The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations. The level of abstraction is just too large. Apple, Google, Amazon, et al., can wage a PR campaign, but it's highly unlikely to succeed.

> The beauty of the EU is that corporate financial influence is far less pervasive than even in the governments of member nations.

[citation needed]

The reason this regulations went through easily is that they mostly target foreign operators.

It's not the same with all regulations, the EU is a lobbying battleground as much as everywhere else, you can see that in most things, big corps just go through governments when not going through MEPs.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by randomhodler84 » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 12:57 PM UTC

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by RedShift1 » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 1:00 PM UTC

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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Then just keep using the Apple store and Apple pay.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by nathias » Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 1:00 PM UTC

randomhodler84 wrote: post #38

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

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just use the deault one?