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As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by throwaway743 »

throwaway743 wrote: post #433
random314 wrote: post #328

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And latin America and Afghanistan and Iraq and cuba and Vietnam and Palestine and Yemen

iirc, Somalia, Congo, and Iran as well

Lol okay downvote but it's relevant and true.

CIA helped in getting Lumumba and wanted to put a halt to his movement. They along with Belgian officers even tried killing him by poisoning his toothpaste.

CIA overthrew Mosaddegh in Iran which lead to where they are today in terms of an oppresive theocratic government.

And US military and CIA are acting as world police in Somalia.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by trasz »

illiac786 wrote: post #612
trasz wrote: post #609

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Meanwhile in real world: https://m.thebl.tv/china/china-shanghai-citizens-break-block... As for the quotes - according to Chinese their system is democratic. According to Americans theirs is. From my European point of view both are somewhat flawed democracies, China because despite advancing surprisingly quickly they are not there yet when it comes to transparency and human rights, and US because its political system…

"armed police officers dressed in protective clothing came to the location to drive out the crowd" "armed police officers dressed in protective clothing came to the location to drive out the crowd." This is you making your point about China being democratic? US being "institutionalised corruption": sources? How is Europe.less corrupt? Again, sources?

It’s not normal for police to protect demonstrations in your country? Which country is that, if I may ask?

As for corruption - in Europe corporations can’t just buy congressmen. In US it’s the norm.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by trasz »

illiac786 wrote: post #613
trasz wrote: post #610

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That’s not denouncing fundamentalism, that’s just asking to tone it down. Can you quote a single US senator who openly called “life from conception” what it is, like they called out antivaxers?

What is, according to you, the definition of "life from conception"? I'm a supporter of abortion but this is going to be fun I think.

The definition doesn’t matter, what matters is what it is: a fringe theory reinvented in late XIX century as part of Catholic hate campaign.

Your point being? As a reminder, we’re talking about democrats failing to condemn extremist ideas.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by LunaSea »

garmanarnar wrote: post #614
LunaSea wrote: post #602

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> No, they're keeping the two systems in place. Opening up the country would destroy that. Oh really? The two systems where a CCP chill was placed at the top of the power and where protests were violently repressed? Talk about being "freed" of colonial rule.

They have been freed, they are reunited with China. Hong Kong still has a democracy only now that system is answerable to Beijing. Not hard to grasp.

> They have been freed, they are reunited with China.

Without the will of Hong Kong citizens. That's the reverse of freedom.

> Hong Kong still has a democracy

It's not. The CCP simply dictates what happens in Hong Kong.

> Not hard to grasp.

Hong Kong being under the dictatorial boot of China is indeed not very difficult to grasp.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by jokoon »

_-david-_ wrote: post #318
jokoon wrote: post #231

I'm not a fan of china controlling such a popular app, but at the same time, I don't see how it could be a security risk. I guess in the same way fake news and deceptive political advertising was used on Facebook to elect Trump, for example? I'm really puzzled by how the US believes in free speech, but when speech comes from another country, it's a security risk. Now I totally get that China can use propaganda for "b…

> Now I totally get that China can use propaganda for "bad ideologies", but again, isn't propaganda part of free speech? Not coming from a country who considers themselves at war with us.

At war? Any source for those claims?

It's not a secret China exports a lot of stuff, not sure it would export things to countries it is at war with.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by togs »

The fact is that TikTok is currently superior to other apps in terms of user engagement. As a consumer, I understand that a business simply exists to generate profit, and while I can and do benefit from this pursuit of profit, our relationship remains adversarial; consequently, my allegiance is mercenary. TikTok is the best product, so I use it.

I wonder why U.S. firms pay U.S. senators to loosen data privacy laws, such that they can compete with TikTok. U.S. firms seem to think that the cost changing privacy laws is greater than the cost of paying news outlets to turn public opinion against a business rival.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by togs »

dcchambers wrote: post #147

The addictive nature of TikTok scares the shit out of me. It's like the culmination of 20 years of social media research and testing purposely designed to create the most addictive product possible. Such a large percentage of young people use it...it's absolutely terrifying.

As a relatively young person, we will be fine--changed subjectively, sure. In the vein of Heidegger: Human + TikTok = TikTokHuman. As we learned from Prohibition, artificially restricting consumer freedom never works. The market does not and should not coddle those who make choices against their interests. Addicts can change, however difficult it may be, if they so choose. On the other hand, if this line of reasoning is incorrect, then we have a serious issue with some very fundamental principles of our extant community.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by garmanarnar »

LunaSea wrote: post #634
garmanarnar wrote: post #614

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They have been freed, they are reunited with China. Hong Kong still has a democracy only now that system is answerable to Beijing. Not hard to grasp.

> They have been freed, they are reunited with China. Without the will of Hong Kong citizens. That's the reverse of freedom. > Hong Kong still has a democracy It's not. The CCP simply dictates what happens in Hong Kong. > Not hard to grasp. Hong Kong being under the dictatorial boot of China is indeed not very difficult to grasp.

Hong Kong is still a democracy. It is the will of Hong Kong citizens to be free from British imperialism.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by LunaSea »

garmanarnar wrote: post #638
LunaSea wrote: post #634

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have been freed, they are reunited with China. Without the will of Hong Kong citizens. That's the reverse of freedom. > Hong Kong still has a democracy It's not. The CCP simply dictates what happens in Hong Kong. > Not hard to grasp. Hong Kong being under the dictatorial boot of China is indeed not very difficult to grasp.

Hong Kong is still a democracy. It is the will of Hong Kong citizens to be free from British imperialism.

> Hong Kong is still a democracy.

Without fair elections? I don't think so.

> It is the will of Hong Kong citizens to be free from British imperialism.

As decided where?

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by garmanarnar »

LunaSea wrote: post #639
garmanarnar wrote: post #638

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Hong Kong is still a democracy. It is the will of Hong Kong citizens to be free from British imperialism.

> Hong Kong is still a democracy. Without fair elections? I don't think so. > It is the will of Hong Kong citizens to be free from British imperialism. As decided where?

It's decided in Hong Kong. If you bothered to care about the opinion of Hong Kongers you might know that.
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