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As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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post #18

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"Invaded" language and situational nuance aside, that has everything to do with superpower status and nothing to do with being authoritarian...

I don't really get why people imply that these two are somehow disconnected. A global superpower that systematically employs military agression to impose its will somewhere far away around the globe is definitely authoritarian. Even if it had managed to create a convincing brand of democracy benifiting only, like, 5% of global population.

Because those events specifically are not connected to authoritarianism - and more generally military might is not is not authoritarian at least not directly. We’re talking how governments govern, not their ability to project power.

EG - North Korea is the most authoritarian state in the world but we haven’t seen them “invade” anyone “in the last 20 years”. The two are not directly related.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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post #609

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You need to define what your quotes mean. If it was democratic, disagreeing with the government wouldn't send you to jail. Try walking in Shanghai with a sign saying "the government is corrupt" and see how long you last.

Meanwhile in real world: https://m.thebl.tv/china/china-shanghai-citizens-break-block... As for the quotes - according to Chinese their system is democratic. According to Americans theirs is. From my European point of view both are somewhat flawed democracies, China because despite advancing surprisingly quickly they are not there yet when it comes to transparency and human rights, and US because its political system…

"armed police officers dressed in protective clothing came to the location to drive out the crowd"

"armed police officers dressed in protective clothing came to the location to drive out the crowd."

This is you making your point about China being democratic?

US being "institutionalised corruption": sources? How is Europe.less corrupt? Again, sources?

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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post #610

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> Democrats hadn’t denounced any part of religious fundamentalism This is a baffling assertion that takes about ten seconds to debunk. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-prayer-breakfast-obama-conde...

That’s not denouncing fundamentalism, that’s just asking to tone it down. Can you quote a single US senator who openly called “life from conception” what it is, like they called out antivaxers?

What is, according to you, the definition of "life from conception"?

I'm a supporter of abortion but this is going to be fun I think.

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No, they're keeping the two systems in place. Opening up the country would destroy that.

> No, they're keeping the two systems in place. Opening up the country would destroy that. Oh really? The two systems where a CCP chill was placed at the top of the power and where protests were violently repressed? Talk about being "freed" of colonial rule.

They have been freed, they are reunited with China. Hong Kong still has a democracy only now that system is answerable to Beijing. Not hard to grasp.

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There are some very vile areas of tiktok with white supremacy and lgbqt+ hate and those are as easy to get to as dance videos of chinese algorithm designers see that you're watched one of those, or just randomly throw one up in front of you and see if you immediately kill it or watch it all the way through. This isn't rocket science level of propaganda/and brainwashing.

I have been on TikTok since release and have never seen any tiktoks of the categories you mention. Can't even find them with a hashtag search.

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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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The us occupied Palestine? I better review my history.

There's a lot of very nasty, bad-faith arguments in this thread, and you seem to be involved in almost all of them. It is time to take a step back and consider what this kind of derailing does to the quality of discussion overall. The point is obvious to anyone even tangentially following the israel-palestine conflict: Israel is a close ally to the us and heavily supported by them in their brutal occupation of Palest…

> It is time to take a step back and consider what this kind of derailing does to the quality of discussion overall.

Yes sir! Will do sir! Thank you for improving the quality of discourse sir!! Where would we be without your guidance sir!

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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post #427

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I also used tiktok for about a month but quit it. That's not to say it's not addictive though, my mom spends a significant amount of her free time on the app (but she still uses fb and ig, if anything tiktok just supplanted some of her time spent on ig). I suppose my point about it is that it's not absurdly unique compared to reddit, YouTube, or twitch which are similarly bottomless content holes. TT isn't unique in…

Ya, I also used tiktok for about a month before getting rid of it. I still think my point stands that everything about it makes it addictive. TT is a bottomless content hole and isn’t that different from other bottomless content holes because they are that. TT takes it a step further with their format focusing on short, attention grabbing content, a best-in-class recommendation algorithm, and rewarding their creators…

Lol I'm also addicted to YT (not proud of it, but the amount of well-produced, solid educational content makes it a hard habit to kick).

I think TT's algorithm is the strongest selling point. Vine had even shorter content and even faster dopamine hits but ultimately died (I can't recall if Music.ly died or was absorbed before it met a natural fate). I can't speak towards monetization but I hazard that TT creators still make most of their money from sponsorships (like twitch and YT) based on that one Hype House thing. That said, the algorithm might be a bit overstated in its strength. Put enough creators together on the same place all trying to be relatable, add in the fact that people are going through dozens if not hundreds of videos at a time, you're bound to yield several hits. In this sense, I think TT is successful not directly because of its format, but in that it's achieved a critical mass because of its format, and that critical mass allows it to easily perpetuate itself.

I think the parasocial relationships aren't "better", except that TT is "better" than Twitch and YT because it's harder to develop these parasocial relationships. Maybe your theory about phone cameras is correct, but I think what's absent is that sense of _address_. On YT, creators will often call their viewers under some aggregate nickname, or make direct references to their audience in a way that invites closeness. Combine this with frequent references to their fanbases as "communities" and I think that YT and Twitch have developed something of a cultural illusion that TT has not yet developed (again, mostly second-hand as I no longer frequent the platform). Again, this remains to be seen, but I lean towards seeing IG as the model here: where you can have similarly frequent posts, cellphone livestreams, and videos (and now shorts). However, since IG is usually not criticized as heavily for parasocial relationships as YT and Twitch, I really think that the difference maker is the systems of address and sense of community that, at the very least, has not fully developed on TT.

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Define wanted? In Australia's case they're 'wanted' by the government insofar as the PM that tried to get rid of them was unlawfully ejected from parliament. Tye populace are at best indifferent, and this is after decades of pro US propaganda. Most of these 'wanted' bases are wanted in the same way the subjects of any other protection racket want their opressor.

In a protection racket, isn't the victim paying the oppressor money for "protection"? But when the US maintains foreign military bases, isn't the US footing the bill?

Ah yes... so the loss of sovereignty is no price for Australia to pay at all.

The USA extracts more benefit from having a base in Australia than they pay for it.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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post #240

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While most people on HN would agree that they would like more regulation of their data on FB and Google, these are largely still separate actors from the US government. You can even indicate that something like Cambridge Analytica is starting within a party, rather than the actual governing body. There is too much sharing, IMO, without a doubt. That being said, they are not near synonymous as TikTok is. Data regulati…

The thing is that "government = bad" is typical American mindset. As another non-US, non-Chinese citizen, the fact that those megacorporations are independent from the government makes it worse, not better. At least governments respond to their people (especially in the case of democracies, much less so for authoritarian governments, but they still have to worry a minimum to avoid revolution). Corporations respond to…

I would strongly disagree

It is not that government = bad.

It is that government having data which allows for influence of people == destruction of democracy as the government is supposed to reflect the will of people rather than the other way around. It is an incredibly short path to: autocracy, oligarchies, dictatorships, etc.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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post #319

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> these are largely still separate actors from the US government Yes they're separate actors, but programs like PRISM suggest that they're still on a very short leash

Not just PRISM: Apple has actually been (presumably) forced to not publish e2e encryption software that the feds didn't want deployed, an example of prior restraint that is blatantly unconstitutional. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

Completely.

So much of this framing however is being pushed/forced/rulings or judgement driven decisions.

You get the sense that TikTok is like "cool, yeah, we'll add that to our roadmap"

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