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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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The point is that we allow competition from China but they can’t compete in China. It’s asymmetrical competition. The Chinese companies have a bigger population of customers (so more access to make money, more people to serve and grow from etc). China protects their businesses from American competition but we don’t protect our businesses from Chinese competition.

When has protecting businesses from competition ever ended well?

Define well? There is no singular dimension of “well”.

Protect them from international threats works if the goal is stabilizing domestic business for national security purposes. Ask airlines for most of their history. Or look at the ability to use American car factories for the defense production act.

Will it produce the best product for their customers? Probably not. Look at American made cars. Not the best product.

Will it produce the best outcome for employees? American car companies employee thousands of union jobs that pay very well.

What if we successfully starve the competition? What if we don’t? No amount of government intervention was able to kill foreign car companies. But American car companies are still chugging along providing valuable employment to many Americans.

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Whereas China opened up the country by letting Hong Kong citizens vote and thus auto-determine their future in a democratic way?

No, they're keeping the two systems in place. Opening up the country would destroy that.

> No, they're keeping the two systems in place. Opening up the country would destroy that.

Oh really? The two systems where a CCP chill was placed at the top of the power and where protests were violently repressed?

Talk about being "freed" of colonial rule.

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>insideous Which is fairly tame in terms of securing geopolitical influence and enables more win-win arrangments. Especially with respect to Laos - a landlocked country with (to be blunt) zero long term development prospects. Laos per capital GDP growth has been on pace with booming Vietnam that has access to outsource manufacturing and maritime trade. Laos should be worse off than Cambodia that has 60% of current La…

Just repeating "landlocked country" twenty times doesn't paint the clearest picture. They have a lot of untapped mineral resources. It has never been rich but people have had organic means of growth like agriculture. Sure it was never blistering growth but it was steady progress that lifted everyone. Once the PRC money started to flow, they basically bought the agricultural lands and now people who used to own the la…

Your comment reflects typical nostalgic time bubble lamentation about culture "decline" due to rapid development change. Lots of older gen Chinese miss Mao's China too and complain about the decadence and corruption caused by new wealth. Meanwhile most of country eager to dig themselves out of subsistence are running after quick growth cash and pickup trucks. It sucks being poor.

> Just repeating "landlocked country" twenty times doesn't paint the clearest picture. ... >untapped mineral resource

Being landlocked is one of the major development traps, it's highly relevant. And the point is Laos is landlocked AND underdevelopped in both infra and human capita. They're not going to be Switzerland without generations of development, if ever. All those untapped resources can't be economically exported relative to sea trade... incidentally why PRC rail development in Laos also game changer. Improves economics of rare metals (gold, Laos other huge export) but less for bulk cargo like agriculture. Laos has zero prospect for being an ag-commodity export power. The most profitable specialty ag trade had export potential of something like 600M. There's simply a ceiling on how much ag can uplift, it's why largest growth sector in last 20 years is industry, which requires capital investments, for a poor country like Laos, it means FDI and period of upheaval caused by new wealth and modes of exploitation.

> never knew how to handle that

Yeah that's what happens to nouvel rich everywhere. That's a sign of development. Laos is not usefully connected to English sphere via geography... again they're landlocked and only large economic connector is PRC. If people want to make money therer it's only prudent to learn Chinese and which will increase integration, especially in border regions. Why would Laos look to rest of world when the fastest growing region is Asia? Learning English is one way street to being brain drained and losing your best.

> GDP but it is a poor measure of healthiness of a society

This is true, ergo why Xi prioritized correcting the excesses of Deng's unbalanced growth that had caused huge problematic culture shifts. Every country that's gone through rapid growth will need manage that transition. Per capita GDP is strongly correlated to Human Development Index for a reason, you need money to make a healthy, educated, productive society. At end of day Laos/PRC relationship enables Laos to have more omney than her geography would otherwise enable. It's not upper income but it's a path out of subsistence if managed properly by Vientiane, which they may absolutely fail at.

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Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

I am from latin america and at least neither China nor Russia have participated in coup d'etat to install a military junta to then torture and massacre anyone slightly left of the US "Democratic" Party. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI

That's because Latin America is nowhere near China or Russia. They aren't going to go half way around the world to harass Latin Americans. But if Latin America was in the place of Hong Kong, Laos, or Ukraine they wouldn't enjoy the same peace

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I am from latin america and at least neither China nor Russia have participated in coup d'etat to install a military junta to then torture and massacre anyone slightly left of the US "Democratic" Party. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI

China didn't need to, they flock to China and other countries on their own, for example Hugo Chavez with China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Venezuela_relati... What was once a beautiful nation is now rife with crime, even the military of all things is told not to have cell phones out by stop lights because somebody will swing on by on a motorcycle and hijack the phone. From the darn military! Still su…

To be fair, Cuba is very very good at training doctors

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And latin America and Afghanistan and Iraq and cuba and Vietnam and Palestine and Yemen

The us occupied Palestine? I better review my history.

There's a lot of very nasty, bad-faith arguments in this thread, and you seem to be involved in almost all of them. It is time to take a step back and consider what this kind of derailing does to the quality of discussion overall.

The point is obvious to anyone even tangentially following the israel-palestine conflict: Israel is a close ally to the us and heavily supported by them in their brutal occupation of Palestine.

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When has protecting businesses from competition ever ended well?

Define well? There is no singular dimension of “well”. Protect them from international threats works if the goal is stabilizing domestic business for national security purposes. Ask airlines for most of their history. Or look at the ability to use American car factories for the defense production act. Will it produce the best product for their customers? Probably not. Look at American made cars. Not the best product.…

All I meant is that I don't see ByteDance being the ultimate winners in the current arrangements.

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Except in China there is no “single guy” like this. China is “democratic” same way US is - they vote for something similar to electors.

You need to define what your quotes mean. If it was democratic, disagreeing with the government wouldn't send you to jail. Try walking in Shanghai with a sign saying "the government is corrupt" and see how long you last.

Meanwhile in real world: https://m.thebl.tv/china/china-shanghai-citizens-break-block...

As for the quotes - according to Chinese their system is democratic. According to Americans theirs is. From my European point of view both are somewhat flawed democracies, China because despite advancing surprisingly quickly they are not there yet when it comes to transparency and human rights, and US because its political system is essentially just institutionalized corruption. That and indirect voting.

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Not really - they differ in rhetorics, but not in things that matter. Democrats hadn’t denounced any part of religious fundamentalism, for example.

> Democrats hadn’t denounced any part of religious fundamentalism This is a baffling assertion that takes about ten seconds to debunk. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/at-prayer-breakfast-obama-conde...

That’s not denouncing fundamentalism, that’s just asking to tone it down.

Can you quote a single US senator who openly called “life from conception” what it is, like they called out antivaxers?

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