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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by yucky »

paulmd wrote: post #31
ehvatum wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pretty ignorant to imply that suppressing information is inconsistent with democracy It sort of is inconsistent with democracy. People should know for whom and for what they vote.

Is it? In most democracies in the world there are things you cannot publish even if they are true - Britain for example still maintains an official state censor, and even in the US there are still some state secrets that you cannot publish regardless of how true they are . Britain and many other countries also maintain a right to privacy that protects non-public-figure individuals against salacious soap-opera tabloid…

>even in the US there are still some state secrets that you cannot publish regardless of how true they are.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant. The "powers that be" have gotten drunk on their ability to not only hide information from the public, but more often than not to muddy it by releasing floods of false information so that people don't know what is what.

These are the same people we owe things like Operation Northwoods and MK-Ultra to, so they can't be trusted.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by ch4s3 »

dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

It's especially crazy considering who Nobusuke Kishi was, and the things he did.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by Brendinooo »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #172
dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

You get automatic name recognition by being the child of a former leader, and that applies even if the former leader was unpopular. The hardest thing in national politics is probably becoming, essentially, known in the first place, so they start with a colossal advantage.

This, and I’d imagine politics is like anything else: you would really benefit from having people who’ve been there before to help you navigate. It’s the same reason why a lot of children of pro athletes become pro athletes.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by yucky »

giantg2 wrote: post #104

"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the “religious group” that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation." Because they aren't stupid. When you name names and provide ample details you have given the killer things that encourage others - infamy, a platform to spread their message, etc. In the US, w…

>After all, we know that this will save lives.

There are lots of things that we know will save lives. Banning driving of all non-emergency vehicles. Banning vices and handing out 50 year prison sentences for any violation. Banning skydiving. Banning soda. We can make a very long list of things we can do to save lives. But there is a price to pay, and that price isn't worth it.

Banning free speech and the free flow of information is not a price worth paying.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by permo-w »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #119
permo-w wrote: post #69

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besides being about crime in Japan, I can't see any similarities in the article

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the words you used were "nearly identical". if you squint, there are some very general passing similarities. if your original comment had said that this shares some themes with Tokyo Vice, I don't think you'd be getting downvoted

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Post by donatj »

cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

Replace "Moonie" with any mainstream religion and mention of race with the race such religion most widely applies to, and I hope the bigotry of this comment becomes far more clear.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by stevenjgarner »

dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

Not a G7, but India notably is the most populous democracy in the world: Rajiv Gandhi, 6th Prime Minister of India, son of Indira Gandhi who was 3rd Prime Minister of India, who herself was daughter of Jawaharlal Nehru, the 1st prime minister of India.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

xbar wrote: post #185
cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

They don't own the Canadian Globe and Mail which repeats some of the comments about the media in Japan and highlights some questions about the Abe/(Moonie aka Unification Church aka Family Federation) relationship. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-tetsuya-yamaga...

The Spiegel didn't have much good to say about Abe either. The first article on their front page (when news of his death became known) was not a nice obituary. It might also reflect the huge gap between the way Germany responded to WWII and the way Japan did.

https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/shinz-abe-nachruf-der-japanis...

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Post by petesergeant »

traceroute66 wrote: post #93
thematrixturtle wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs). Basically, if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news. https://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/an-impregnable-fortress...

> It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs) Its the same in the UK. UK "political editors" working for the larger media outlets are granted lobby passes, which they guard like some precious gem stone. Lobby passes grant the journalists free access to certain parts of the Parliament buildings, in particular the lobby (hence the name of the pass !). It also grants them access to th…

> That's why many UK "political editors" ask such dumb limp questions of UK leaders

To be fair, politicians still feel the need to get on TV and face Paxman and Andrew Netflix and so on, who are happy to take them to pieces whatever their personal political leanings. That plus PMQs and constituency duties, and I think UK politicians get grilled sufficiently…

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