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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by duckmysick »

evilsetg wrote: post #92
thematrixturtle wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs). Basically, if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news. https://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/an-impregnable-fortress...

I like the model of ths German Bundespressekonferenz where an organization made up of journalists invites the German goverment for press conferences instead of the other way around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundespressekonferenz#Organisa...

Can the journalist organization exclude its members if they break ranks, so to speak?

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

#102

Post by aikinai »

pas wrote: post #95
thematrixturtle wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The previous poster did say "democratic". Despite the fig leaf of elections, Singapore has been ruled by the same party since independence, which straight up owns all licensed newspapers, TV and radio stations. Bonus points: the TV/radio wing has the delightfully Orwellian name of MediaCorp, and MediaCorp Radio at one point had the amazing slogan "MediaCorp Radio: Your choice!".

so what makes Japan more democratic? (is there some power consolidation index that can distinguish between Singapore and Japan effectively?)

The Japanese ruling party has actually lost power and smoothly transitioned.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by swarnie »

pppq wrote: post #70
achow wrote: post #55

TL;DR Shinzo Abe was associated with a religious group 'Church of Unification'... that motivated Tetsuya Yamagami to target and kill Shinzo Abe. Yamagami told investigators that he blamed a “religious group” (i.e. the Unification Church) for inducing his mother to donate so much money that it bankrupted the family. He initially prepared to kill a church leader, but gave up after deciding it was too difficult. Yamagam…

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Did you roll a new account just to justify murder?

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by giantg2 »

"Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the “religious group” that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation."

Because they aren't stupid. When you name names and provide ample details you have given the killer things that encourage others - infamy, a platform to spread their message, etc.

In the US, we know that providing these details, such as the killer's name, and even the media's hyper focus on the event contribute to copy cats.

Why don't we create a law to prevent the media from naming names of mass killers or assassins and giving them a platform? After all, we know that this will save lives.

Edit: why disagree without reply? No right is absolute. There are already restrictions on speech, and that same reasoning is what allows gun control.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296697/

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by oefrha »

krapp wrote: post #60
lesstyzing wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the Unit 731 Wikipedia page recently and almost wished I hadn’t. Im surprised I’d never heard about it and neither had any of my friends. Not that it’s a competition, but some of the atrocities I read about on that page were worse than any other World War atrocity I know and it seems like it’s just been swept under the rug.

It's swept under the rug because the US pardoned many of the the perpetrators (such as Shiro Ishii) in exchange for data about their experiments, which were then continued under the US biological weapons program, and projects like MKULTRA.

I was aware of the crimes of Unit 731 and how the U.S. granted immunity to the worst perpetrators in exchange for data, but never read about the details. I did that just now; what a horrifying rabbit hole that was. One disgusting bit:

> Although the Soviet authorities wished the prosecutions to take place, the United States objected after the reports of the investigating US microbiologists. Among these was Edwin Hill, the Chief of Fort Detrick, whose report stated that the information was "absolutely invaluable;" it "could never have been obtained in the United States because of scruples attached to experiments on humans" and "the information was obtained fairly cheaply."[7] On May 6, 1947, Douglas MacArthur wrote to Washington, D.C., that "additional data, possibly some statements from Ishii probably can be obtained by informing Japanese involved that information will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed as 'War Crimes' evidence."[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirō_Ishii#War_crime_immunity

Basically, everywhere you look you can find these absolute monsters at the helm who drool at “cheaply obtained” and “absolutely invaluable” data from gruesome live human experimentation. Some were just given the opportunity to carry out more of it.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pmoriarty »

lesstyzing wrote: post #45
m-ee wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even vile doesn't quite cover the scale of the horror, especially Unit 731 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Manchukuo

I read the Unit 731 Wikipedia page recently and almost wished I hadn’t. Im surprised I’d never heard about it and neither had any of my friends. Not that it’s a competition, but some of the atrocities I read about on that page were worse than any other World War atrocity I know and it seems like it’s just been swept under the rug.

There's a horror movie about Unit 731 called "Men Behind the Sun"[1]... It's not high art or anything, but it is super disturbing... one of the most horrific things I've ever seen.

[1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Behind_the_Sun

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by cheshire_cat »

duckmysick wrote: post #101
evilsetg wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the model of ths German Bundespressekonferenz where an organization made up of journalists invites the German goverment for press conferences instead of the other way around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundespressekonferenz#Organisa...

Can the journalist organization exclude its members if they break ranks, so to speak?

Tilo Jung[0] has bee annoying the government spokes persons with uncomfortable questions for years. I read that some other journalists are uncomfortable with his questions since they fear that the government might decide to just not show up anymore (everybody is aware that the Bundespressekonferenz is a quite unique arrangement) but they still let him show up and ask questions. He does really valuable work imo and publishes all Bundespressekonferenzen on his youtube channel[1].

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilo_Jung [1] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv1WDP5EiipMQ__C4Cg6aow

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pmoriarty »

Larrikin wrote: post #25
tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

It was explained to me when I lived in Japan, that while there are many Japanese media companies that exist independently in Japan, they all have to go to one central government body to renew their licenses to exist. They get some leeway but it's it's not much

In the US all radio and TV stations also have to get and renew licenses from the government to be allowed to broadcast.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by cuteboy19 »

cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

Is it a requirement for every Asian cult to own a few American newspapers? I know of two others

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pmoriarty »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #33
Larrikin wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was explained to me when I lived in Japan, that while there are many Japanese media companies that exist independently in Japan, they all have to go to one central government body to renew their licenses to exist. They get some leeway but it's it's not much

It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs). Basically, if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news. https://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/an-impregnable-fortress...

"if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news"

What happened to independent investigative reporting?

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