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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by krisoft »

sacrosancty wrote: post #85
krisoft wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and even in the US there are still some state secrets that you cannot publish regardless of how true they are That is simply not true. There are many examples where USA newspapers published leaked secrets and the journalist were not convicted for it in any case. The Pentagon Papers come to mind as the most famous example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

The claim was that there are some secrets, not all secrets which is the claim you countered.

Ok. There are no secrets “you cannot publish” in the USA. Prove it otherwise. Either by citing law, or even better by citing precedent.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by evilsetg »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #33
Larrikin wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was explained to me when I lived in Japan, that while there are many Japanese media companies that exist independently in Japan, they all have to go to one central government body to renew their licenses to exist. They get some leeway but it's it's not much

It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs). Basically, if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news. https://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/an-impregnable-fortress...

I like the model of ths German Bundespressekonferenz where an organization made up of journalists invites the German goverment for press conferences instead of the other way around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundespressekonferenz#Organisa...

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by traceroute66 »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #33
Larrikin wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was explained to me when I lived in Japan, that while there are many Japanese media companies that exist independently in Japan, they all have to go to one central government body to renew their licenses to exist. They get some leeway but it's it's not much

It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs). Basically, if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news. https://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/an-impregnable-fortress...

> It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs)

Its the same in the UK.

UK "political editors" working for the larger media outlets are granted lobby passes, which they guard like some precious gem stone.

Lobby passes grant the journalists free access to certain parts of the Parliament buildings, in particular the lobby (hence the name of the pass !). It also grants them access to the Downing Street media briefings, which due to some obscure tradition, are always held behind closed doors.

That's why many UK "political editors" ask such dumb limp questions of UK leaders. Its because they run scared of having their sacred lobby pass taken away from them.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by [deleted] »

mellosouls wrote: post #48

Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation. It is quite striking in the UK and US how mainstream media will be remarkably coy about identifying the cultural background of some criminals while straight off the bat into condemnatory opinion…

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pas »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #87
SenHeng wrote: post #82

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> Japan is centralized and monolithic to an extent that really has no parallel in any other democratic country Singapore? The press doesn’t just toe the official line, they actively attack opposite viewpoints.

The previous poster did say "democratic". Despite the fig leaf of elections, Singapore has been ruled by the same party since independence, which straight up owns all licensed newspapers, TV and radio stations. Bonus points: the TV/radio wing has the delightfully Orwellian name of MediaCorp, and MediaCorp Radio at one point had the amazing slogan "MediaCorp Radio: Your choice!".

so what makes Japan more democratic? (is there some power consolidation index that can distinguish between Singapore and Japan effectively?)

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by shusaku »

ETHisso2017 wrote: post #9
tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

Why aren't the major Japanese media outlets covering this angle before the polls close in Japan's upper house elections (today)?

It’s absolutely insane to me that people are criticizing the Japanese media over this. Why should we be amplifying a murder’s message? Don’t reward a man for shooting someone in the back.

After every mass shooting in the US I see widespread criticism of the media for sensationalism and turning mass murders into stars. Yet when another country follows this very advice, they’re criticized for a lack of free speech?

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pharrington »

hackerlight wrote: post #43
pharrington wrote: post #11

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"extremely interesting backstory" is definitely one way to describe Nobusuke Kishi's time as the army officer who was in charge of Manchukuo. "Vile history" is the phrase I'd personally use.

> Kishi's time as the army officer He wasn't an army officer. He was a lawyer/bureaucrat in charge of the forced industrialization of Manchukuo after studying the economic systems of places like Wiemar Germany, and was given total authority by the army to run this vertical as he saw fit.

Thank you for the correction, mea culpa

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by riedel »

tkgally wrote: post #5

The linked article ends with this: “Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation.” It’s important to note that the Japanese media is not monolithic. It’s true that the major newspapers (Asahi, Yomiuri, Mainichi, Nikkei, etc.) and the broadc…

It really reminds me somehow of the police press relationship described in '64' (Rokuyon) by Hideo Yokoyama

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by wronglyprepaid »

ekianjo wrote: post #29
Larrikin wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was explained to me when I lived in Japan, that while there are many Japanese media companies that exist independently in Japan, they all have to go to one central government body to renew their licenses to exist. They get some leeway but it's it's not much

all these news organizations in Japan are nothing but government mouthpieces. When Abe was in power the journalists could not stop singing his praises and how smart the whole "Abenomics" was supposed to be.

No post body was provided.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by cvccvroomvroom »

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country.

So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them money because you'd be supporting the late George Bush Sr's 2nd-favorite cult.

They also own The Washington Times and United Press International (UPI).

And True World Foods, which runs a major portion of the sushi trade in the US.

Numerous other innocent-sounding organizations in many, many sports, interest groups, and industries.

Net worth around $2 billion.

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