France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

Post by adhesive_wombat » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:21 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #33

ggm wrote: post #23

This debate won't end in a hurry. We've been arguing about what beer is since the German beer laws and before. British Sausages cause hilarity in Europe. The idea that definitionally we can state a-priori what is or is not the current meaning of a term when language itself is plastic is kind of broken because the distinction between Cows, Cattle, Beef, Veal, Bison, Oxen, Bullock and Bull, Buffalo and Bison and Cow, G…

You're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.

Post by zzo38computer » Sat, Jul 02, 2022, 12:01 AM UTC

wumpus wrote: post #130

mc32 wrote: post #42

Yes, yes! This is common sense. Do not try and ride the coattails of existing products to sell a product that is the opposite of the products it's pretending to be. Be honest. It's an plant-based protein burrito it's not a damned "chik'n burrito" or "sliced cheeze". And don't get me started with the "milks". It's a freaking emulsion oat-grain emulsion, or oat beverage. What's nexy Coca-cola with a white fizzy drink,…

Those "milks" have been called that for 100s of years. Even better, in western Europe, their consumption is linked to the dominant religion.

Post by markstos » Sat, Jul 02, 2022, 12:42 AM UTC

cheese_goddess wrote: post #282

markstos wrote: post #10

The US meat and dairy industry have asked for similar bans as well. The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons.

> Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons. Consumers are not reducing their meat consumption. Instead meat consumption is increasing: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?ta... > As a global average, per capita meat consumption has increased approximately 20 kilograms since 1961; th…

Post by Nursie » Sat, Jul 02, 2022, 2:08 AM UTC

martyvis wrote: post #249

Nursie wrote: post #146

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Fray Bentos! I haven't had one of those in... more years than I can remember. Puff pastry, processed sauce and ... lumps :) I've migrated to Australia (again) recently and the diet here is pretty British too. Fish and Chips everywhere, though with more interesting fish and calamari on all the menus. 'Servo' pies which are sold from gas stations and are about as bad as fish and chip shop pies in the UK. Sausages (well…

> I migrated to Australia (again) recently and the diet here is pretty British too I seriously think this misrepresents what most Aussie's put on their fork (or more likely their chopsticks). Go into any shopping mall food court, out of 20 offerings maybe 3 will be the McKFCKing chains, there will be a very multinational salad bar with a roast meat side, a juice bar, and then 2 or 3 Mediterranean style, a Mexican, an…

Post by CogitoCogito » Sat, Jul 02, 2022, 7:15 AM UTC

adhesive_wombat wrote: post #311

xdennis wrote: post #33

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You're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.

Nut milks have been referred to as "milk" for nearly 1000 years in English and longer in Latin. I don't think Apicius was trying to sneakily confuse non-vegans when he said "lacte nucis".