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France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by ouid »

ggm wrote: post #23

This debate won't end in a hurry. We've been arguing about what beer is since the German beer laws and before. British Sausages cause hilarity in Europe. The idea that definitionally we can state a-priori what is or is not the current meaning of a term when language itself is plastic is kind of broken because the distinction between Cows, Cattle, Beef, Veal, Bison, Oxen, Bullock and Bull, Buffalo and Bison and Cow, G…

they aren't defining these terms, they are excluding vegetarian products. That's very reasonable.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by ouid »

k8si wrote: post #53
xdennis wrote: post #26

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That would be completely fair, assuming the reverse is true as well. That is, being able to sell real cheese as "vegan cheese" to trick vegans into eating it. I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. They don't deserve protection either.

I imagine this was probably user error on your part. The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese, and also usually says 'vegan' prominently, and also there are only like 2-3 brands that make vegan cheese (Miyoko, Daiya, maybe 1 other?). And vegans still usually have to read the ingredients to make sure. Non-vegans could probably do the same if it were that important.

>The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese.

How on earth do you think this is either true or a defense?

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by ouid »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #168
kelnos wrote: post #86

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Ah yes, when something is confusing, blame the user. Classic.

I've never seen anything more confusing then the two words "vegan cheese". Even after consulting with a dozen scientists I couldn't figure out what it's supposed to mean. So I bought it and surprisingly enough, I didn't end up with cheese made from milk as expected, but with cheese that was actually vegan! Could it be me? No, obviously it's somebody else's fault. Like it always is. It's never me.

you're assuming what you want to without reading the comments carefully. The "user" was tricked into buying vegan sausages. No one said that they were called vegan sausages.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by ouid »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #228
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #209

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> I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. I don't even know how that is possible unless one is extremely unattentive. In my experience, vegan and vegetarian substitute products are universally located in the specialty section of the grocer and nearly universally advertise their plant-based status prominently. These products cost more than the real thing, so why try to fool anyone into thinking they're real meat? Th…

To be fair, "Beyond" products (Beyond burgers, beyond sausage) require grocery stores that carry them to place them in the meat section (though the store may also place them with the vegan meats). The idea is that people will get introduced to "close-tasting" plant-based meat alternatives, and it seems to have worked out pretty well for them, since they've been incredibly successful. It's been 18 years since I've eat…

right, so the objective is to trick people.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by [deleted] »

pkaye wrote: post #21
shireboy wrote: post #18

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Was thinking this is going to lead to some cringey product names. "veak" and "vausage" for the uncreative and it goes downhill from there. Our family calls it "feat" for "fake meat"

I'm trademarking 5teak, 5ausage, Chee5e and Mi7k.

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by antholeole »

Does anyone who used to be a meat eater and switched to the plant based meat alternatives like impossible burger actually believe that they are similar?

I’m attempting to go vegetarian. Prior to my switch, I used to consume large amounts of meat (partially because I enjoy the taste, and partially because I lift weights often and the protein is easy) but man oh man those plant based alternatives are just nowhere near real meats. So much so that they’re not even worth it: I’d much rather opt for something like tofu or a protein shake because atleast they’re not trying to tell me that they’re meat.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by PyWoody »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #103
tpmx wrote: post #13

It's getting ridiculous here in Sweden. Actual product names (they tend to use English, sometimes with intentional misspellings to get around regulations, I assume): "Vegan Grated Ch se" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/731024... ) "Roast Beaf - Plant-based cold cut" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/735003... ) "Parveggio - grated" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_lar…

Reminds me of one of my favorite King of the Hill episodes: "Not dogs" are hot dogs made of tofu Of course there is always "faux fu" for the tofu intolerant.

I had no idea KoTH made that joke, too. I was raised by vegetarians and that's always what we called the meatless hot dogs. They were...not good.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by aldebran »

tommit wrote: post #192
yessirwhatever wrote: post #79

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> Sadly this is just another layer of protections to the industrial meat complex. How so? I think it's a very good idea to not allow product marketing to (ab)use terms to confuse people. If people want to eat meat that's their business. This is like that old trend of putting a "milk" label on almond drink/juice. It's just a straight up incorrect.

Wait until this guy finds out about coconut milk.

Or peanut butter.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Post by martyvis »

Nursie wrote: post #146
ggm wrote: post #46

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I don't see why either. I like some cereal in my sausage, I think it adds to the texture, and moistness, and I like the mouth feel of a blend of ingredients, but the relative % of meat and non-meat, for legal compliance with "sausagehood" is at root the problem. More filler-and-binder than meat? thats wierd. But.. legal. Does it relate to rationing? I am sure it does. Remember the UK kept rationing to the 1950s and w…

Fray Bentos! I haven't had one of those in... more years than I can remember. Puff pastry, processed sauce and ... lumps :) I've migrated to Australia (again) recently and the diet here is pretty British too. Fish and Chips everywhere, though with more interesting fish and calamari on all the menus. 'Servo' pies which are sold from gas stations and are about as bad as fish and chip shop pies in the UK. Sausages (well…

> I migrated to Australia (again) recently and the diet here is pretty British too

I seriously think this misrepresents what most Aussie's put on their fork (or more likely their chopsticks). Go into any shopping mall food court, out of 20 offerings maybe 3 will be the McKFCKing chains, there will be a very multinational salad bar with a roast meat side, a juice bar, and then 2 or 3 Mediterranean style, a Mexican, and maybe 10 Asian (3 styles of Chinese, Thai, Viet, Korean, Sushi and a few fusion style). The final seafood will do your Pop's Fish and Chips but also a gazillion crustacea and molluscs. Supermarkets are full of international food sections, fruit and veges that just wouldn't be available 30 years ago.

Definitely 50 years ago it was very much plain lamb chop and 3 veg, but anyone under 40 almost certainly will be eating very multiculturally.

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Post by aldebran »

kcplate wrote: post #141
jryb wrote: post #7

I eat only plant-based foods and actually prefer unique names/spellings for these products. It can be worrying when an ostensibly vegan restaurant sells something that really tastes like meat and the menu says "beef" or whatever.

I don’t have a strong opinion either way, I don’t eat plant based “meat” mainly because it’s over processed and tends to be higher in carbs than I prefer in my diet. But your comment reminds me of philosophical question. If a company created a plant based meat analog that cooked, looked, and tasted just like human meat…should someone eat it? I don’t pose this to make fun of vegans or the plant based meat industry. I…

It’s easier to transition.

Things look and cook similar to what you’re used to. It helps plan meals better and is less disorienting.

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