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Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by adventured »

exceptione wrote: post #91
hh3k0 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". I've occasionally wondered, is that not reality for all of us? Even us living in democratic nations? Is democracy at its core not a "might" (through a greater cardinality) makes right of sorts?

Democracy is the enemy of the might makes right. Might makes right selects the stronger clan, and selects its strongest leader: that is, the one who follows this doctrine the most brutally and successfully. Because if you don´t, someone else will be more ruthless. So in a democracy we protect minority interests and curb the powers of commercial entities. And we have the Trias Politica. You might wonder if we do enoug…

Democracy isn't the enemy of might makes right at all.

In actual democratic systems, the stronger great majority (eg the 75% or 90%) can do anything they want to with a weak minority. There are many prominent examples of democratic systems being used to implement might makes right via majority abuse of the minority.

You have to intentionally neuter democratic systems with strict constitutions that protect individual rights, to prevent might makes right from always taking over democratic systems. You have to put very strong constraints in place to prevent the stronger majority from harming the weaker minority; you have to put the democratic majority in a straight-jacket that limits their possible actions for the protection of the minority.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#102

Post by mikece »

walrus01 wrote: post #90
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

the altima and maxima may be fine cars but there's also nothing wrong with a camry or an accord. plenty of good alternatives.

I'm 6'5" and Nissan made cars with much more headroom than Honda or Toyota.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#103

Post by cupofpython »

missedthecue wrote: post #88
cupofpython wrote: post #79

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>(even though the Altima and Maxima were excellent cars) why advertise for them for free?

I think he's implying that his boycott imposed a cost on him, and therefore had more meaning, because had they behaved differently, he would have liked to have owned a Nissan.

I understand that, but he regrets that his decision could not be more influential.

Which is severely undermined by the claim that Nissan makes great cars

Especially when considering the person making the claim has an implied incentive to hate the cars. He's making a genuine claim that "I want to hate their cars but I cant"

which is fantastic advertising for Nissan.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#104

Post by mikece »

missedthecue wrote: post #88
cupofpython wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>(even though the Altima and Maxima were excellent cars) why advertise for them for free?

I think he's implying that his boycott imposed a cost on him, and therefore had more meaning, because had they behaved differently, he would have liked to have owned a Nissan.

Exactly. I'm 6'5" and Nissan made cars with much more headroom than Honda or Toyota.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#105

Post by nonrandomstring »

hh3k0 wrote: post #73
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

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> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

> In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". I've occasionally wondered, is that not reality for all of us? Even us living in democratic nations? Is democracy at its core not a "might" (through a greater cardinality) makes right of sorts?

> I've occasionally wondered, is that not reality for all of us? Even us living in democratic nations? Is democracy at its core not a "might" (through a greater cardinality) makes right of sorts?

The tyranny of the majority? Absolutely. The trajectory along which many ethical arguments about power roll is to start with the 'Redbeard' straw-man and then offer up increasingly diluted forms, social contracts and so on, until an acceptable proxy is found for universalisable systematic violence [1] in kind.

[1] This may not be a literal violence at all. The point at which it passes under an acceptable threshold, as sublimated power, says a lot about each culture. For example, acceptance of brutal inequality may be taken as such a sublime violence - the measure of a civilisation is how it treats its weakest members.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#106

Post by sobkas »

shadowgovt wrote: post #74
littlestymaar wrote: post #70

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Well, if they believe in markets that's basically what money is for: you think something is worth more to you than to somebody else, then just pay the other party for it. There's plenty of cases where this kind of reasoning fails, because it doesn't care about ethics, but in this exact situation there no ethical question at stakes, especially since Uzi Nissan bought this domain name in good faith. It's just a matter…

It's interesting to ask oneself, I think, how many person-hours of lawyer labor Nissan paid for, and whether less money than that could have been consolidated into one lump-sum payment to Mr. Nissan of "a quantity that immediately bumps one individual up to nouveau-riche class," such that whether he had a domain name from which to do business was irrelevant because he didn't have to work. Of course, that assumes Mr.…

If they start paying for stuff like this without any resistance they will lose deterrent of having enough lawyers to bombard you with lawsuits to the end of your life. Now I will think twice if I want to cross any corporation. This is a chilling effect the are aiming for. Shut up or else.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#107

Post by themaninthedark »

mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

This is sad news.

When I first heard about this back in High School, I had the same reaction. I hope they put back up the old website or at least a memorial page for him.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#108

Post by adventured »

adastra22 wrote: post #66
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

It is something that Germany believed in the first half of the 20th century. It is something Russia believes now. It ain’t as dead as it ought to be.

Most of Europe believed might makes right until post WW2. Hell, Spain was still a dictatorship until 1975 and a large part of Eastern Europe was still de facto enslaved until the fall of the USSR. Even now you've got a looming dictatorship in Hungary, a dictatorship in Belarus, a dictatorship in Russia, and a dictatorship in Turkey (a quasi European state).

Germany's evil ideology of conquest and might makes right, which was rife in their culture throughout the 18th, 19th and part of the 20th century, was definitely not limited to the first half of the 20th century (not that you were necessarily claiming such). The Nazi ideology was entirely ripped off from existing cultural beliefs that were common in Germany and the greater region at that time and had been for centuries. Hitler was about as non-original as you could get, he simply took common ideas from the culture and swirled them together. Bismarck and Hindenberg were also monsters, Hitler was just worse and was the natural end of their failed, vile culture during those centuries.

It took thousands of years for the Europeans to figure out they needed to banish might makes right.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#109

Post by pcthrowaway »

codegeek wrote: post #24
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

I agree with you but honestly if it was another person named Toyota who purchased toyota.com, they would definitely be pursued/sued by Toyota as well. Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. It just happens to be Nissan in this case. So I wouldn't treat them any different than the others to be honest.

It's customary even for BigCos to make an offer to buy the domain first.

It's entirely possible the registrant of a toyota.com (if Toyota the company didn't get it first) would have been made an offer for the domain that would have been easy to accept. Nissan (the owner of nissan.com) was never made a fair offer for his domain.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#110

Post by MikeTheGreat »

adventured wrote: post #93
jemski wrote: post #72

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Hear hear. A much better worded explanation than my soul would allow. I’m dumbfounded when the observation is made. On the one hand, if it’s just common sense that large corporations will do what they want to anyone at any time, isn’t our need to fight them on it similarly common? The second part is always left out. Probably rarely on purpose, but always to the benefit of the aggressor.

> if it’s just common sense that large corporations will do what they want to anyone at any time, isn’t our need to fight them on it similarly common? Of course and "we" do fight them as a matter of routine, and "we" win frequently too. If that weren't the case, the EPA wouldn't exist, OSHA wouldn't exist, the FDA wouldn't exist, the FAA wouldn't exist, the 40 hour work week wouldn't exist, automobiles wouldn't have…

> the EPA wouldn't exist

It's worth pointing out that the recent Supreme Court case [1] may have changed this back to what large corporations and Republicans have wanted; the precendent that the case sets may then enable Republicans to dismantle the rest of the agencies you mentioned [2]

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530 [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/20-1530#writin...

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