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Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by rakoo »

toolz wrote: post #67
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

Your question relies on multiple assumptions that not everyone, including me, may agree with:

- domain names should be distributed based on some measurement of "utility" - the Nissan company is bigger than the Nissan person, therefore they have a higher utility - domain names control should be changed outside of one's control

There is no perfect way to assign domain names. As you say, first come first serve has its downsides. But I don't like the idea of big capitalistic companies taking over domain names just because more people know them; in fact that's yet another demonstration of capitalism accumulating even more resources at the expense of someone less.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by jemski »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #59
codegeek wrote: post #24

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I agree with you but honestly if it was another person named Toyota who purchased toyota.com, they would definitely be pursued/sued by Toyota as well. Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. It just happens to be Nissan in this case. So I wouldn't treat them any different than the others to be honest.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

Hear hear. A much better worded explanation than my soul would allow.

I’m dumbfounded when the observation is made. On the one hand, if it’s just common sense that large corporations will do what they want to anyone at any time, isn’t our need to fight them on it similarly common? The second part is always left out. Probably rarely on purpose, but always to the benefit of the aggressor.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by hh3k0 »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #59
codegeek wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you but honestly if it was another person named Toyota who purchased toyota.com, they would definitely be pursued/sued by Toyota as well. Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. It just happens to be Nissan in this case. So I wouldn't treat them any different than the others to be honest.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

> In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right".

I've occasionally wondered, is that not reality for all of us? Even us living in democratic nations? Is democracy at its core not a "might" (through a greater cardinality) makes right of sorts?

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by shadowgovt »

littlestymaar wrote: post #70
toolz wrote: post #67

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Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

Well, if they believe in markets that's basically what money is for: you think something is worth more to you than to somebody else, then just pay the other party for it. There's plenty of cases where this kind of reasoning fails, because it doesn't care about ethics, but in this exact situation there no ethical question at stakes, especially since Uzi Nissan bought this domain name in good faith. It's just a matter…

It's interesting to ask oneself, I think, how many person-hours of lawyer labor Nissan paid for, and whether less money than that could have been consolidated into one lump-sum payment to Mr. Nissan of "a quantity that immediately bumps one individual up to nouveau-riche class," such that whether he had a domain name from which to do business was irrelevant because he didn't have to work.

Of course, that assumes Mr. Nissan would have been willing to trade at all. Some people aren't motivated by money, which certainly increases the complexity of the "markets solve all things" hypothesis.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by Kaytaro »

bluehatbrit wrote: post #50
Kaytaro wrote: post #47

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Should domains be first come first serve though? Why? Almost 100% of people when they hear "Nissan" think of the car company, so why should that domain direct to some random guy who happened to claim it first?

Why should corporations have more of a claim to property or resources than individuals, just because more people know of them? If they were exercising phishing attacks then fair enough, but if they had a personal website of some sort on there, why the hell should a company get it just because they have the same name?

Because domains pointing to where you'd expect just makes the internet a better place. It reduces dependency on search engines, makes the internet simpler to use, and ideally you could be confident that nissan.com isn't some Joe Blow but a trusted company.

What benefit does "first come first serve" provide? Nothing other than allowing individuals to hijack widespread brands.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by jweir »

mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

One of the earliest bits of net activism was Etoy - a Swiss art collective vs Etoys - a US online toy reseller.

Etoys got a US judge to seize the etoy.com domain name.

Etoy launched back with Toy War. A gamified activist platform were participants could earn points by attacking Etoys.

https://etoy.com/projects/toywar/

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by exceptione »

adastra22 wrote: post #66
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

It is something that Germany believed in the first half of the 20th century. It is something Russia believes now. It ain’t as dead as it ought to be.

I am not sure why you are downvoted, because you are dead right. "Might makes right" is exactly the 'philosophy' of the dictators of both countries. Human rights and related concepts are for them nonsense and signs of the weak. The clash between Hitler and Stalin was a clash of two very like minded people.

Some horrid people defend the massacring by Putin by defending the might makes right mindset. They even might think of themselves as independent or critical thinkers. They are not. Might makes right is the doctrine of fascism, and it is good you call out this type of thinking when you see it.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by greenthrow »

capableweb wrote: post #32
HideousKojima wrote: post #25

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>Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. Valve, despite controlling something like 80% of PC game sales, hasn't gone after the owner guy who owns steam.com

I'm not sure Valve would be considered "large corporation", at least at this point. Last time I checked, they had something like 300 employees. I'm not sure where the line would be for me to consider something a "large corporation", but at least 10000 would be my first guess.

Number of employees is irrelevant here. Revenue, profit, holdings, these are what is relevant to the issue at hand. On those measures, Valve is enormous.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by cupofpython »

mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

>(even though the Altima and Maxima were excellent cars)

why advertise for them for free?

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by metadat »

toolz wrote: post #67
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

Domain names aren't actually a limited resource. Only the short ones are.

Fundamental flaw of the system, because just like physical real estate, whoever got there first has an enormous advantage.

Nobody is arguing on my behalf to kick my landlord to the curb, though.

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