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Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by moron4hire »

capableweb wrote: post #41
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think billion dollar valuations would suffice to be "large corporation" to me. Valve meets that.

Interesting, I've never considered the value/valuation/profits to be a part of what makes a corporation large or not, but mainly focused on just the size of the organization. So a corporation could go from small -> medium -> large without even changing the headcount?

It's about the amount of power and influence you can wield. In a discussion like this, "large corporation" is just a shorthand. When it comes to the legal system everyone should be on equally footing. That they aren't is why these things are so upsetting.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by stavros »

Kaytaro wrote: post #47
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

Should domains be first come first serve though? Why? Almost 100% of people when they hear "Nissan" think of the car company, so why should that domain direct to some random guy who happened to claim it first?

Yes they should, why not?

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

Kaytaro wrote: post #47
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

Should domains be first come first serve though? Why? Almost 100% of people when they hear "Nissan" think of the car company, so why should that domain direct to some random guy who happened to claim it first?

Isn't first come first served already the default?

Which leads to scalpers trying to buy out brand names ahead of the corporations so they'll be offered money for them later?

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by squirtle24 »

jstanley wrote: post #38
fourstar wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good question. We've talked to various lawyers throughout the years. The crappy part is that the people who resurrected it have hundreds of millions in real estate backed ventures (big $$$), so there's really not much we can do aside from pound sand considering we weren't brewing the beer, or enforcing the trademark. The even weirder thing is that they used his name as their contact email for the longest time on thei…

If every generation since your great great grandfather had 3 children, then you can expect your great great grandfather to have 81 descendants in your generation (most of whom would have a different surname - to a first approximation you only retain the surname if your connection to him is on the father's side at every level). I'm guessing you wouldn't know all of them, and in the olden days people had more kids so i…

Some light googling led me to the brewery in question. On their About page, it would appear the answer is a no. They didn't know who the GG grandfather was until they randomly saw his name on a building, and then decided to name a beer after him.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by CogitoCogito »

Kaytaro wrote: post #47
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

Should domains be first come first serve though? Why? Almost 100% of people when they hear "Nissan" think of the car company, so why should that domain direct to some random guy who happened to claim it first?

Why is it a problem for the car company if some guy named Nissan has a website? They can simply choose a different domain.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by creeble »

giobox wrote: post #11
bmcahren wrote: post #2

I was discussing trademarks and domains with somebody today and tried to show them my favorite long-standing trademark dispute nissan.com but it appears all of the website content has been taken down in May 2022. Here's one of the last standing copies: https://web.archive.org/web/20220406221134/https://nissan.co... Oh, and digest.com where he told is lawsuit story is now for sale ( http://digest.com/ ) https://web.ar…

The UDRP ("Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy" - the arbitration process all domain name disputes go through - you have little choice as mandated by ICANN for all domain name registrars) has been hopelessly broken in favor of the pursuer for a long time. It's a pursuer pays system; surprise surprise pursuers almost always win. UDRP panels are run by private firms of typically retired judges looking to cash…

>Nissan.com is just another example sadly.

Example of what? The car company never won a UDRP case against Mr Nissan.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by moron4hire »

shadowgovt wrote: post #46
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

[edit: I stand corrected; Mr. Nissan conducted business at nissan.com]

Uzi Nissan ran an IT services consultancy for 30 years, so it was actually a commercial website on the .com TLD.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by GTP »

Kaytaro wrote: post #47
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

Should domains be first come first serve though? Why? Almost 100% of people when they hear "Nissan" think of the car company, so why should that domain direct to some random guy who happened to claim it first?

True, but then you can't register a domain under your name because it happens to exist a company with the same name? I understand trying to prevent people form registering domains they don't have anything to do with just because they're looking to sell them for a high price to somebody that has actually an use for them, but I'm against the idea of extending this to the case of people registering their own name.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by nonrandomstring »

codegeek wrote: post #24
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

I agree with you but honestly if it was another person named Toyota who purchased toyota.com, they would definitely be pursued/sued by Toyota as well. Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. It just happens to be Nissan in this case. So I wouldn't treat them any different than the others to be honest.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want.

In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1].

The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger and you are the weaker. And the "rule of law" (insofar as it can exist) must recognise that as my legitimate right. It is obviously an infantile fantasy. Yet I see it echoed in various forms within these pages.

First of all, it is something that nobody of sound mind believes, other than as a pose. It is an anchor point, a strawman from which to develop real ethical positions.

But most of all, it's a fantasy we occasionally wish as true, because if it were, these so-called "powerful corporations" would be reduced to dust and ruin within days by those the real powers in this world who exercise patient restraint.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_Is_Right

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

Did something change between when this was posted and now?

The website is up for me, however the content is stripped down relative to the previous version ( https://web.archive.org/web/20220406221134/https://nissan.co... ). All of the anti-Nissan content is gone and it simply says "Contact Us"

Given the events, I wouldn't be surprised if his estate is moving toward trying to sell the domain and collect any possible proceeds.

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