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Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by exceptione »

hh3k0 wrote: post #73
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

> In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". I've occasionally wondered, is that not reality for all of us? Even us living in democratic nations? Is democracy at its core not a "might" (through a greater cardinality) makes right of sorts?

Democracy is the enemy of the might makes right. Might makes right selects the stronger clan, and selects its strongest leader: that is, the one who follows this doctrine the most brutally and successfully. Because if you don´t, someone else will be more ruthless. So in a democracy we protect minority interests and curb the powers of commercial entities. And we have the Trias Politica.

You might wonder if we do enough, for example making sure commercial entities are kept under control. Democracy is work, it is not a guarantee you will keep having it. You can lose it, and many entities are fine with destroying it too further their own self interest. You don´t have it because of how exceptional you think you are. So take an active role to protect it.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#92

Post by angst_ridden »

I used to work at a web firm that did Nissan USA's web site. I was in meetings where they discussed ways they would finally get the domain from Uzi. They obviously never succeeded. I did learn a lot about trademark law despite myself.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#93

Post by adventured »

jemski wrote: post #72
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

Hear hear. A much better worded explanation than my soul would allow. I’m dumbfounded when the observation is made. On the one hand, if it’s just common sense that large corporations will do what they want to anyone at any time, isn’t our need to fight them on it similarly common? The second part is always left out. Probably rarely on purpose, but always to the benefit of the aggressor.

> if it’s just common sense that large corporations will do what they want to anyone at any time, isn’t our need to fight them on it similarly common?

Of course and "we" do fight them as a matter of routine, and "we" win frequently too.

If that weren't the case, the EPA wouldn't exist, OSHA wouldn't exist, the FDA wouldn't exist, the FAA wouldn't exist, the 40 hour work week wouldn't exist, automobiles wouldn't have a vast number of legally mandated safety requirements, building codes wouldn't exist, and so on and so forth.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by cupofpython »

hh3k0 wrote: post #73
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

> In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". I've occasionally wondered, is that not reality for all of us? Even us living in democratic nations? Is democracy at its core not a "might" (through a greater cardinality) makes right of sorts?

power will succeed, but that is very different than believing anything a greater power is capable of enforcing must be accepted as morally correct just because they are stronger

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by toolz »

moomin wrote: post #83
toolz wrote: post #67

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Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

Watch you don’t apply this reasoning to your own house.

eminent domain is used in this way, and I don't really agree with the rule, but there is an argument to be made for my land being taken over because it serves some other purpose better than it serves me.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by givemeethekeys »

Kaytaro wrote: post #75
bluehatbrit wrote: post #50

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Why should corporations have more of a claim to property or resources than individuals, just because more people know of them? If they were exercising phishing attacks then fair enough, but if they had a personal website of some sort on there, why the hell should a company get it just because they have the same name?

Because domains pointing to where you'd expect just makes the internet a better place. It reduces dependency on search engines, makes the internet simpler to use, and ideally you could be confident that nissan.com isn't some Joe Blow but a trusted company. What benefit does "first come first serve" provide? Nothing other than allowing individuals to hijack widespread brands.

Sir, I'd like to introduce you to the concept of property rights.

God, I'm glad I don't live in a hell hole where someone who is trying to make the world a better place can just trample over me.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by elromulous »

codegeek wrote: post #24
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

I agree with you but honestly if it was another person named Toyota who purchased toyota.com, they would definitely be pursued/sued by Toyota as well. Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. It just happens to be Nissan in this case. So I wouldn't treat them any different than the others to be honest.

For folks who haven't read the whole story, the issue Uzi took with them was that they never even made him an offer to buy it, they jumped straight to litigation. He said he would have sold it to them for a reasonable price had they not chosen litigation as their first approach.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

#98

Post by missedthecue »

moomin wrote: post #83
toolz wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

Watch you don’t apply this reasoning to your own house.

Eminent domain would be a possible analogy in the context of real estate.

Though you are correct that very few people argue for eminent domain against their own land holdings.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by angst_ridden »

mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

It wasn't just his surname. It was his company name, too, and a trademark.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

I don't care what happens to NISSAN.COM, as long as it does not fall to Nissan Motors. Ideally, someone should restore it from the last good snapshot and ask for donations to renew the domain on a regular basis. I would be happy to contribute to this effort.
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