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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by rcxdude »

foobarian wrote: post #223
colejohnson66 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Big Clive (and Electroboom) because they know how to be safe, but do the stupid thing anyways (safely) to show how bad the ideas are.

It's disappointing how most of the articles and videos criticizing the dangerous content don't explain why exactly something is dangerous. They just scream "omg high voltage" "one mistake you're dead" and so on. I honestly think they are worse than the source; it reminds me of the medieval experimenters and alchemists being oppressed by the conformist public.

It's not hard to figure out: microwave oven transformers are generally considered one of the most dangerous things you can find in a household appliance when misused because they put out enough voltage to reliably punch through even dry skin (which is usually a fairly good insulator which mitigates a lot of the severity of most mains voltage shocks), while still able to generate enough current that when it does form a circuit through you it will not only hurt because cause your muscles to tense up rigidly, burn you badly, and depending on how (un)lucky you are, cause cardiac arrest. It also (as explained in the Big Clive video) bypasses the safety equipment in most houses designed to mitigate shocks from mains-powered devices. Fractal wood burning also involves a bunch of salt-water which only increases the risk. "Only one mistake needed to kill you" is not hyperbole (it's possible to survive shocks from MOTs, but it's not the norm).

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

itsyaboi wrote: post #266
fendy3002 wrote: post #204

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No matter how many times I see someone changing computer parts while the power is still connected, if I'm doing it I always unplug the power then pressing the power button to ensure it's unpowered

You need about 24 volts to overcome the skins resistance. Most PCs use some combination of 3, 5, and 12 volt rails so you should be fine, as long as you avoid licking anything. Edit: Some PSUs have -12 +12 rails, I suppose if you were really unlucky and grabbed both at once the 24v differential could give you a zap.

Typical recommendation for DRY skin is ~50V.

You can wet your fingers and get way lower, but I’ve never had anything much at 24V even when trying. At that low a voltage it may come down to frequency of the source.

Obviously your tongue gets way lower, as is 9V lickers know already.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by foobarian »

throwaway744678 wrote: post #314
foobarian wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's disappointing how most of the articles and videos criticizing the dangerous content don't explain why exactly something is dangerous. They just scream "omg high voltage" "one mistake you're dead" and so on. I honestly think they are worse than the source; it reminds me of the medieval experimenters and alchemists being oppressed by the conformist public.

There's not much more than that to it: high voltage, high current and exposed wires. It does not take a PhD to understand what can go bad.

It actually does "take a PhD." Having insulated wires can still be dangerous with a high enough voltage because of dielectric breakdown. Furthermore even if you don't get electrocuted but have a vacuum chamber with high voltages you can get irradiated.

What I would have liked is, "OK this here wire is where the high voltage is, if you touch it you will get hurt and possibly die. If you need to manipulate it use long wooden or plastic tongs. Do not use gloves because of dielectric breakdown possibility." You get the idea. Not "just don't do it."

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by gspr »

mminer237 wrote: post #129
addicted wrote: post #23

Wait, why did YT remove Ann’s video? She doesn’t show how it’s done. She just shows, through drawings, how dangerous it is. WTF Yiutube.

Because she talks about death, and YouTube can't monetize videos about death.

Instead they keep the videos she calls out for causing death. Since at least they don't talk about death. Jesus christ google is a vile company!

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by SeanLuke »

samizdis wrote: post #56
logifail wrote: post #21

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> Before people realize that they can't really make a 3-layer cake in a toaster Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! Cue the house full of smoke, a stern reprimand, then a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster, followed by s…

At the risk of sounding like a salesperson, I'd like to mention a feature of basic/classic Dualit toasters - namely, the optional and elegantly simple sandwich cage. [1] The cage is designed to take two slices of bread with a filling (in my usage, always heavy on the cheese). You put this into the toaster slot, which is vertical, and safely make cheese/whatever toasties. So, your 12-year-old had the right idea, but n…

I want to give a shoutout to a similar but much nerdier design, which is no longer sold. Kenmore (rebadged as De'Longhi) used to make a single long-slot toaster with an adjustable width all the way out to about 2 inches. I have one. The heat element isn't amazing, and it, like the Dualit, is manual lift with a timer. But critically, you can move the toaster elements manually together or away from one another with a lever on the top of the toaster. In other toasters, the elements are fixed in position regardless of the bread width. As a result, this toaster is amazing for big thick hand-cut slices of bread. And no need for a sandwich cage at all: you can put entire hoagies in there.

A picture: https://www.lowes.com/pd/De-Longhi-2-Slice-Aluminum-Toaster/...

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

edianorh wrote: post #116

Playing with microwaves carries many risks. Even without getting electricity involved, the magnetron contains beryllium oxide which can be fatal to humans if it gets into the lungs. Just to disassemble one, you need to know what the magnetron looks like and not try to disassemble it. Like many other appliances, it has capacitors, which may remain charged for a long time too. Those are dangerous too.

>Just to disassemble one, you need to know what the magnetron looks like and not try to disassemble it.

I know what you’re going for here, but it’s a funny sentence.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by YeahNO »

Someone made a commercial fractal wood burning device years ago. It had very long handled probes (1-2 ft.) and a pedal for switching on the power (there might have been a main power switch inline on the device itself.) It had a dial to let you crank up the amperage. I think someone did get hurt using it. Reputable art/woodworking events and people do not allow or use fractal wood burning because the inherent risk is so high.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by hedora »

effingwewt wrote: post #268
elif wrote: post #2

It's terrible how little basic electronic safety is practiced in virtually all of these videos. When we handled high amps in university, we had 3 hours of lecture first simply explaining safety precautions and how to handle accidents. Not to mention, the burnt wood looks so gaudy and uninteresting. I would hardly call it fractal as it only goes 2-3 levels usually, and artistically doesn't usually make sense on furnit…

I think the people replying to you to nitpick are missing the forest for the trees. You (and many people) have to wait until university to learn this stuff if you didn't seek it out yourself (how-to's and electives in school). This kind of knowledge should be taught at a young age to demystify it. A few hours in uni (and how many people never even go), to learn life-saving information When I did appliance repair micr…

A friend of a friend disassembled a microwave to repair it, and accidentally put one of the radiation shields back on backwards. It ended up killing his wife (lots of cancers) a few years later.

So, yeah. Don't repair microwaves. It's really not worth the $100's you'll save on a replacement.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by samizdis »

traverseda wrote: post #357
schroeding wrote: post #251

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> There is no automatic pop-up function That's a bit too low tech for me, but otherwise looks like a solid device :D

Presumably it does turn off on it's own.

Yes, when the clockwork timer runs down.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by framapotari »

mrtksn wrote: post #335
framapotari wrote: post #317

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Where is this right to a broadcasting platform to publish anything you wish as long as it is legal enumerated?

Depending on your dictatorship, it will be different everywhere. In free countries you just broadcast. It's like the right to eat pancakes, it's not specifically regulated. Of course there are rules of what you are allowed to do or not, for example you can't broadcast in specific frequencies because those are licensed and if you like to do that you need to purchase a license. If you broadcast using loudspeakers, you…

> In free countries you just broadcast

Sure, and anyone who is banned on YouTube can still "just broadcast". Their rights were not harmed in any way.

To borrow your analogy, you may have the right to eat pancakes but you don't have the right to eat at IHOP. You can be banned from every pancake selling diner in town yet you can still eat pancakes. No one has stopped you from eating pancakes.

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