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Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Hope so. Here in the Netherlands we've fallen hilariously behind. It's illegal to produce weed with the intention to sell, but legal to sell. At the same time it's illegal to have a large inventory. So criminals make large amounts of cash by illegally growing weed. And cops have to waste their time dealing with these guys. Eventually these guys grow up and start with the more profitable stuff such as cocaine & mdma.…

Well - not really. It is not legal to sell it is just "tolerated". Which is I guess making your point even further?

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Hopefully the canabis producers will see the low (by todays standards) THC level weed as having its own niche and market it accordingly. Like 'light beer'.

I wonder how alcohol would look of people were so incompetent that they would drink vodka by the pint, like beer! Seriously, if you smoke a joint of high-grade then you're doing it wrong.

> Seriously, if you smoke a joint of high-grade then you're doing it wrong.

I've met people who prefer smoking joints over other smoking methods. Sometimes I like to have a joint, also. Why are we wrong?

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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While I have no interest in weed, I never understood why people are against it, since cigarettes are also a drug and are far more damaging to heath and the economy, and in the US kills a couple hundred thousand folks a year, or alcohol, which is a drug, and kills tens of thousands of people a year. Eliminating illegality would save in so many ways, and taxes could help offset other taxes. But no, weed is somehow more…

Anyone can grow weed and that would cut into tobacco profits, a powerful lobby. You don't honestly think legislation is about health

Nonsense. Are tobacco companies not allowed to own a cannabis company? They'll jump on that shit as soon as they can.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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> Wording: Germany will not legalise Cannabis. Maybe it will be decriminalized, but there is basically no chance of legalisation (too complex/expensive of a process). Source?

I was told so from a credible source a couple years ago. What I can recall: legalisation would entail complex legal work, to a degree where that option is essentially not on the table. This is supported by the fact that "Legalisierung" is not part of the political language wrt topic, instead they refer to "Kontrollierte Abgabe" (~'controlled distribution').

So just because it is complex it won't get done? That sounds rather defeatist to me.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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Cigarettes are stimulating in a way similar to coffee - weed is not, so the lutheran morals dominated cultures (admittedly a quite outdated generalization) look very disapprovingly upon it.

No, sorry. Study history. Weed was criminalized as a mechanism for white people to control black people, because weed was a Mexican and black person drug when those laws were enacted. It's all in the arguments in favor of the criminalization laws when they were passed. nothing to do with the Protestant Work Ethic. Sorry if the phrase "black person" is offensive, none is meant.

Can you tell us how does your theory apply to the other countries of the globe where marijuana is illegal though?

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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I think the legalization of cannabis in Europe has a lot of potential. I just wish that we would take measures to avoid the ever increasing levels of THC dosage in weed to insane levels, like you see in the US or California specifically. I firmly believe that cannabis can do a lot of good, but the poison is in the dosage. It has been shown in the past that increasing THC while decreasing CBD leads to an increase in n…

Just mix it with CBD-weed to get the overall THC content down.

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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I find it crazy to decriminalise a drug in smoked form. It is often through second-hand smoke in social situations that people get addicted to a smoked drug before they start using it themselves. I'm afraid that that would lead to more addiction. Personally, I don't have anything against it being ingested in other forms: such as "magic" brownies or vaping that don't affect other people around you.

1. You are not going to get high from second hand cannabis smoke unless you're doing mouth to mouth or locked up with 3 other guys smoking in a closet. 2. 30% of daily cannabis smokers have trouble stopping vs 85% of daily tobacco smokers. 3. Smoking indoors uninvited is generally strongly frowned upon in most social settings and prohibited by law in areas open to the public. 4. You don't have to smoke, cannabis is also frequently prepared into "special" cookies or brownies and eaten. The downside is that you then can't have more than one cookie due to the...implications...

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cigarettes are stimulating in a way similar to coffee - weed is not, so the lutheran morals dominated cultures (admittedly a quite outdated generalization) look very disapprovingly upon it.

No, sorry. Study history. Weed was criminalized as a mechanism for white people to control black people, because weed was a Mexican and black person drug when those laws were enacted. It's all in the arguments in favor of the criminalization laws when they were passed. nothing to do with the Protestant Work Ethic. Sorry if the phrase "black person" is offensive, none is meant.

Hmm. Perhaps we studied different histories?

As far as I was aware, the criminalization of weed was related to hemp being a competitor to the wood/paper industry.

https://greathemp.net/why-hemp-was-banned-in-1937/

Re: Germany’s move to legalise cannabis expected to create ‘domino effect’

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While I have no interest in weed, I never understood why people are against it, since cigarettes are also a drug and are far more damaging to heath and the economy, and in the US kills a couple hundred thousand folks a year, or alcohol, which is a drug, and kills tens of thousands of people a year. Eliminating illegality would save in so many ways, and taxes could help offset other taxes. But no, weed is somehow more…

What if I'm against weed, cigarettes and alcohol?
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