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France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

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It's getting ridiculous here in Sweden. Actual product names (they tend to use English, sometimes with intentional misspellings to get around regulations, I assume): "Vegan Grated Ch se" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/731024... ) "Roast Beaf - Plant-based cold cut" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_large_2x_v1,f_auto/735003... ) "Parveggio - grated" ( https://assets.icanet.se/t_product_lar…

Y'all got any of those chiggin nuggets?

Could I tempt you with some Chickened Out Chunks?

https://www.citygross.se/images/products/08710522760321_D1N1...

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

#62
post #42

Yes, yes! This is common sense. Do not try and ride the coattails of existing products to sell a product that is the opposite of the products it's pretending to be. Be honest. It's an plant-based protein burrito it's not a damned "chik'n burrito" or "sliced cheeze". And don't get me started with the "milks". It's a freaking emulsion oat-grain emulsion, or oat beverage. What's nexy Coca-cola with a white fizzy drink,…

Not sure what product you're referring to.

To use a concrete example: Impossible Burger is not opposite of burger but 100% designed to be impossible to tell apart from a cow burger.

So it's common sense to also call it a burger.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

#63
post #35
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.

Nobody's trying to confuse anyone though, they're trying to provide alternatives. "Sausage" is such a generic term, covering so very many things, that it's bizarre to try and restrict it. (edit: almost forgot we are talking about France, a country which tries to control its language by law. Carry on then!)

agreed on genericness. I have generally at least 2 options anywhere I go - sausage or turkey sausage, with the default assumption of 'pork'. But many places around me have (pork) sausage, turkey sausage, and vegan sausage. I don't think it's that hard, or confuses people (or, at least the people who care about vegan in the first place).

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

#67
post #7

I eat only plant-based foods and actually prefer unique names/spellings for these products. It can be worrying when an ostensibly vegan restaurant sells something that really tastes like meat and the menu says "beef" or whatever.

I ordered chicken wings at a vegan fast food restaurant. I too would have preferred if the name was more specific, even though it’s implied by the context. It was my first time at the restaurant so I specifically asked them to confirm it was vegan.

Also some chains/brands do a very poor job labeling their things so that it’s obviously plant-based. For example at Tim Hortons: Farmers wrap=meat based, Harvest wrap=plant based. Feels intentionally confusing.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

#68

Why do veg people want to advertise veg products with references to meat? I'd promote the unique or superior taste of my veg stuff, right? I don't want to eat meat in the first place, after all.

Plenty of people eating vegetarian for moral reasons, but miss the flavour or texture of meat.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

#69
post #28

The US meat and dairy industry have asked for similar bans as well. The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons.

> The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused. Nonsense! I was tricked. They: * make the products look like real sausages and cheese * sell them in the same packages * label them in large letters as the real thing * write "vegan" in small letters * put them next to the real things It's all done to trick people.

You are just describing food marketing — It's all designed to entice you.

Re: France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

#70
post #36
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ruling was that they could call it things like "vegan cheese", not an unqualified "cheese".

So then we should be able to use the term "real vegan cheese", but not an unqualified "vegan cheese".

I think “real” is a bit of a problem there because if vegan cheese is real it means it’s really vegan. I think the analog you’re looking for would be “fake vegan cheese”, or to make it less double-negativey we could just say “dairy cheese” which would be a perfectly understandable modifier on cheese just like how “vegan cheese” is a perfectly understandable modifier.

If vegan cheese is a problem i’d like to hear your take on “electric car”

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