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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

There's an interesting issue with how expensive ICE cars will become to service and fuel when their number becomes smaller (2023 is meant to be the peak of ICE sales). The tipping point for replacement of horse drawn carriages with cars in large cities around the world came quite quickly - when the infrastructure became more expensive.

In 2035/2040 the majority of ICE car owners will be the less well off (plus those driving classic cars) - but they'll likely be paying much more for travel than those that can afford new electric cars.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by LAC-Tech »

seszett wrote: post #29
LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

Since the EU started out as an economic union, it seems on the contrary very logical that its priority is regulating the market rather than military considerations. Cooperation on military and foreign affairs is developing though, so I think you are just misinformed on the EU and its purpose.

I understand how the EU started and its purpose. I Just find it a bizarre way to integrate inside out, by aligning internal economic policies.

The cynic in me thinks it thrives because it's a bureaucrat and civil service wet dream. I feel like the hardcore pro-european people must feel this deep down and be deeply ashamed that - in 2022 - they are still completely reliant on the US security umbrella despite their increasing edge (on paper at least) over their neighbouring "rival".

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by moravak1984 »

Way too rushed... I don't think there is a clear roadmap for how the required infrastructure and supply chain will work. Definitely no clear understanding on the environmental impact of EVs. Did some pushy Tesla sales reps took senior EU politicians for some cool test rides? Sounds very much like it.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by wongarsu »

dhzhzjsbevs wrote: post #90
tarsinge wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only for new cars and in 2035, buyers have 12 years to see it coming and make informed decisions during that period.

Translation: you've got twelve years to save for a Tesla ya dirty peasant.

Because everyone will buy the 2035 equivalent of a new Tesla Model 3 instead of a used Nissan Leaf?

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by propertymagnate »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #96
Angostura wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you find it hilarious because you misunderstand its purpose its a bit like me laughing at the US federal government because it can't even put consistent marriage or abortion laws in place across the country. The EU's roots are as a common trading block - it is built around the foundation of a single market, removing barriers to trade across countries. A common defense policy isn't part of that, external borde…

Moving the blame from the EU data privacy rules to literally everyone else is frankly just ridiculous.

Your honour I hold it was not my client who did wrong, but the person who made the law banning murder in the first place.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by wongarsu »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #89
adrianN wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is likely true for rich countries, but typically old cars get shipped to poorer countries where they continue to run for another decade or so. The infrastructure there will see good use for a while longer.

It's the oil infrastructure that will affect them, because it's global. If that goes away...

It won't go away, but there's good chances fuel gets a lot more expensive as production scales back.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by paganel »

ianbooker wrote: post #67
paganel wrote: post #42

So I guess that leaves my country a little under 15 years to get out of the EU. Manageable.

This is an interesting guessing game. What country could it be? You must be thinking that automotive will suffer from this, this leaves France and Germany on the table. Arguably, a lot of the sector is spread across the EU, but this spread is facilitated by the common market itself. Since France has basically endless opportunities arising from its "carbon neutral" power generation, are you thinking of Germany?

Romania, and while we certainly benefited economically from entering the EU (even though on a societal level the discussion is a lot more complicated, a lot of small and medium towns are now basically deserted) this type of measures that might make sense for wealthier Germany and France are certainly regressive for countries like mine. To put it more simply, we're too poor for this "eco" green-washing that is imposed on us from Brussels.

I guess we could all make our bags and move to wealthier Germany and France, I mean, those of us that still decided to remain here, but that would be bad for our society at a national level (see the previous point about empty towns).

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by Helmut10001 »

morsch wrote: post #88
Epa095 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am willing to bet a beer that it's only for new cars. The article links to a description : >In a plenary vote on Wednesday, MEPs adopted their position on proposed rules to revise the CO2 emissions performance standards for *new* cars and vans with 339 votes in favour, 249 against and 24 abstentions. Many of the eu rules for cars are not retroactive. E.g I can use a old car without lighting for the number plate, ev…

Yes, this only applies to new cars, not used cars. You will be able to sell and buy used cars after 2035 if this proposal comes into effect. Note that while the parliament of the EU has approved the proposal, it still needs approval from the council of ministers.

Yes, only new cars. I think it this could also mean the reverse for used cars: They get more expensive because everybody wants them and no new are produced.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by XorNot »

dgellow wrote: post #64

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

By 2035 any car manufactured today would be at least 13 years old. My oldest car is 20 years old, and worth basically one tenth - at best - it's purchase price (probably less).

So realistically, old car stock will spend another couple of decades being driven till it's dust, and then it'll be gone. But this is a move which does need to happen soon, since you can reasonably expect another 2 decades of the vehicles on the second hand market after implementation.

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