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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

German cars aren't what they used to be. I know because my wife owns a Made in Germany Volkswagen that breaks a lot more often than my other car, a US-made Hyundai.

I'm interested in the US-made car market. I don't know much but something on my todo list to learn. I've heard good things about the US making good cars

By far the worst car I ever owned was a US built BMW!

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#92
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This is good from an environmental perspective, if (and that is a big if) the electricity is generated from clean sources. The societal implications are worrisome. Electric vehicles tend to track and surveil their "owners", fast charging is centralized and can be tracked as well. We have seen how far dystopian regimes like Trudeau's are willing to go. Instead of freezing the bank accounts using enabling laws, he coul…

It's even good from an environmental perspective if electricity is not all low emissions. In fact, even with the current energy mix in germany, with a large portion of coal.

ICEs are very inefficient at converting gas to movement, so the per-km emissions almost always favor EVs, independent of power generation. So if the manufacturing gets greener (which will hopefully be sufficiently the case by then), it doesn't matter.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#93
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If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

If they follow through with this, I’d expect a 2034 ICE car will fetch a premium in 2036 rather than being unsellable. (Note that, contrary to the headline and contents in the Register article, the ban is only on the sale of new cars with ICE, not on the sale of used ICE cars.)

There are plenty of cases where EVs are very good answers today. My wife’s ICE car is 17 years old and still going strong. If I fast forward to 2039, she’d equivalently be driving a 2022. In 2045, 10 year old ICE cars will still be readily available and I think quite usable.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully, forceful policy can ensure it happens before environmental collapse and secondary effects like resource war achieve the same effects in less desirable ways. Fear of the latter should enable policymakers to be more ruthless about the former.

> before environmental collapse EU has less than 10% share in the CO~2 production. We are not going to make a difference even by going medieval today, and the rest of the world isn't going to care, especially as they will watch us to self-destruct.

You think radical policy is limited to internal? What happens if I don't trade with you unless you verifiably stop cutting down your rainforest? If I exclude your organisations from import unless they achieve some audited environmental standards, adopt EVs etc. Being a rich trading bloc like the EU can certainly have important and deliberate externalities.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#95

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

> "Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

> "Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

I think you find it hilarious because you misunderstand its purpose its a bit like me laughing at the US federal government because it can't even put consistent marriage or abortion laws in place across the country. The EU's roots are as a common trading block - it is built around the foundation of a single market, removing barriers to trade across countries. A common defense policy isn't part of that, external borde…

Moving the blame from the EU data privacy rules to literally everyone else is frankly just ridiculous.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#97

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

I think you've been watching too much Fox. The EU is almost totally within NATO, so when you're using the word 'deterrence', and 'near abroad', you're not talking about defensive deterrence. You're talking about the ability to project hard power. That's something most EU citizens have no interest in . When you're talking about 'policing external borders', you're both ignorant of the reality (EU power projection in th…

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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>Raimondo noted: "The truth of the matter is that requires a lot of chips. The average electric vehicle has 2,000 chips in one car... one of the manufacturers said they're going to double their chip needs in the next five years. Probably the [combustion engine] car you drive now has hundreds of chips. The EV that we want you to buy over time has 2,000 chips."

I hear this repeated all the time. No you don't need hundreds of chips to build an ICE engine car, and no you don't need hundreds, let alone thousands, of chips to build an electric car. There's no technical reason electric cars need so many more chips than ICE cars.

The number of chips in cars is mostly due to the number of suppliers involved in building parts of the car separately.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

I am willing to bet a beer that it's only for new cars. The article links to a description : >In a plenary vote on Wednesday, MEPs adopted their position on proposed rules to revise the CO2 emissions performance standards for *new* cars and vans with 339 votes in favour, 249 against and 24 abstentions. Many of the eu rules for cars are not retroactive. E.g I can use a old car without lighting for the number plate, ev…

Sure but that’s just this specific vote, the goal of the EU has been quite clear here, they want to eventually ban consumption engines.

If you keep a consumption engine you won’t have as many gas stations anymore and will not be allowed to circulate in some areas (low-emission zones, for example see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air).

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Hmm, now in 10 years vote to move this date forward? Or will the 2034 be year with most combustion engine vehicles ever sold in EU?

> now in 10 years vote to move this date forward?

You're assuming you'll be able to vote on the issue.

The EU isn't a particularly democratic system, and even assuming that the question will be asked of politicians and not simply implemented by non-elected bureaucrats, being able to poll the entire voter base on an issue such as this one is damn near impossible in the current system.

Also, last time an actual EU-wide referendum was implemented, the results were basically ignored because the outcome didn't suit the bureaucrats.

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