Live data from Hacker News

EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

theregister.com

31–40 of 243 posts

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they're cheap and good we'll buy them :) Germans make *some* great cars

German cars aren't what they used to be. I know because my wife owns a Made in Germany Volkswagen that breaks a lot more often than my other car, a US-made Hyundai.

I'm interested in the US-made car market. I don't know much but something on my todo list to learn. I've heard good things about the US making good cars

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#32

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

You must be living under a rock: Coordinate foreign affairs? => Yes (e. g. Russia sanctions) Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? => When was the last time anyone attacked an EU country?

Coordinate foreign affairs? => Yes (e. g. Russia sanctions)

US led and coordinated

Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex

Famously ineffective in 2015.

Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? => When was the last time anyone attacked an EU country?

The near abroad of the EU is not the EU, they are its neighbouring states.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#33

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

I think you find it hilarious because you misunderstand its purpose its a bit like me laughing at the US federal government because it can't even put consistent marriage or abortion laws in place across the country.

The EU's roots are as a common trading block - it is built around the foundation of a single market, removing barriers to trade across countries. A common defense policy isn't part of that, external borders are nominally a matter for those countries - it is internal borders that the EU is centrally concerned with.

Common connectors for phones, clearly falls within the ambit of a seamless internal market, internal combustion engines too - given that the countries have adopted similar positions on climate change and want the market to reflect that.

Cookie popups were a stupid industry innovation designed to try and circumvent EU data privacy rules.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#34
post #3

Better than nothing, but the date is a bit far away if we want carbon neutrality before (or even around) 2050. Cars have fairly long service times. Hopefully the market will phase out ICEs earlier than that except for niche uses.

There may be a faster fall-off than you'd think, because of feedback effects. Same way film cameras stopped being popular and then you couldn't get the films, or get them developed, so they got more unpopular, repeat until extinct. If fuel stations start closing down and you can't get the parts, it won't matter if fuel cars have decades of good service life ahead.

Yes, that's what I'm thinking too. It's a vicious circle (or maybe a virtuous one?) but once fuel stations start closing in droves it will become very impractical to own a petrol car.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#35

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

- foreign affairs are mostly coordinated with each state, not so much with the EU as a whole

- They police their borders sadly quiet heavily, if you think about pushbacks in greece and the whole frontex operation.

- EU is not a military alliance and doesn't have an army, even though they thought about it. So most states rely on their own army and NATO.

- So why do they care about IC engines, dongle size and cookie? Because the EU is about trading policy, consumer rights, privacy, worker rights and much more.

Is it inside out for you because you misunderstood what's it's role is maybe?

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#39
post #24

Bad news for Ferrari et al.

I doubt it. Most likely the EU will have concessions in place to protect the local high-value, small volume, performance & luxury halo-brands like Ferrari, Lambo, Bugatti, Pagani, etc.

A lot of their multi millionaire customers value that these cars have several moving parts that go bang on dead dinosaur juice, causing them to go vroom when you hit the gas pedal while making loud crackling and popping sounds from the exhaust, as the several pistons ramp up to over 8.000 RMP, so they will pay a premium for that in an all electric world (just look at the failure of electric motorcycles in the west).

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

#40

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

You must be living under a rock: Coordinate foreign affairs? => Yes (e. g. Russia sanctions) Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? => When was the last time anyone attacked an EU country?

> Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? => When was the last time anyone attacked an EU country?

I'd say it's more down to NATO membership than anything from the EU

Post reply on HN