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EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by tarsinge »

dgellow wrote: post #64

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

It's only for new cars and in 2035, buyers have 12 years to see it coming and make informed decisions during that period.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by Symbiote »

dgellow wrote: post #64

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

The article doesn't make it clear, but they are banning the sale of new ICE cars. The secondhand market will continue, although I certainly would expect the value to reduce.

Diesel cars have already seen this happen, with current and expected future restrictions on them being used in cities.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

ChemSpider wrote: post #23
LAC-Tech wrote: post #15

The EU is the most unintentionally hilarious confederation. It's completely inside out. Coordinate foreign affairs? Nope Able to police external borders? Nope Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? Not even remotely But banning IC engines, mandating dongle size, and giving the world cookie popups? You bet!

You must be living under a rock: Coordinate foreign affairs? => Yes (e. g. Russia sanctions) Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? => When was the last time anyone attacked an EU country?

>Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex

That hasn't really worked in practice though, as illegal migrants discovered that if you sail a boat towards EU borders and intentionally sink it when Frontex tries to intercept, then they're obliged to rescue and take you to Europe, instead of sending you back for trespassing without a visa, meaning anyone could exploit this loophole to enter Europe illegally.

That's hardly an effective border protection.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by arethuza »

CalRobert wrote: post #74
amelius wrote: post #24

Bad news for Ferrari et al.

Ferrari is welcome to produce non-combustion vehicles. If Porsche can upset the purists by making an SUV (it's been a while but there was some outrage about basically getting in to the minivan market) then Ferrari can make an EV.

Ferrari are also making a SUV - presumably influenced by the success of the Lamborghini SUV.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by LAC-Tech »

ranguna wrote: post #49
LAC-Tech wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coordinate foreign affairs? => Yes (e. g. Russia sanctions) US led and coordinated Able to police external borders? => Yes, Frontex Famously ineffective in 2015. Credible military deterrence in its near abroad? => When was the last time anyone attacked an EU country? The near abroad of the EU is not the EU, they are its neighbouring states.

> US led and coordinated US led US sanctions, not all sanctions are US sanctions. > The near abroad of the EU is not the EU, they are its neighbouring states. They are indeed EU neighbour states, but they are not EU member states.

You're really struggling with my use of the term "near abroad".

Let me clarify again - I mean states that border EU member states, but that are not themselves EU member states.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by Hamcha »

dgellow wrote: post #64

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

Why wouldn't the used market eat them up? The existing infrastructure of gas station is realistically not going away until enough people have ditched their old vehicles, and cars are thankfully an industry where consumers still expect their cars to last 10+ years.

Don't know what everyone else's experience is, but coming from a middle class family, my first car was a 1993 Ford Fiesta (which was ~20 year old at the time) my dad bought me for dirt cheap. It used a very outdated fuel (petrol instead of diesel), didn't have any of the modern safety standards which are required by new cars and had fuel efficiency so bad it was outright banned within many city centers... but it still served me for years.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by morsch »

Epa095 wrote: post #75
dgellow wrote: post #64

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

I am willing to bet a beer that it's only for new cars. The article links to a description : >In a plenary vote on Wednesday, MEPs adopted their position on proposed rules to revise the CO2 emissions performance standards for *new* cars and vans with 339 votes in favour, 249 against and 24 abstentions. Many of the eu rules for cars are not retroactive. E.g I can use a old car without lighting for the number plate, ev…

Yes, this only applies to new cars, not used cars. You will be able to sell and buy used cars after 2035 if this proposal comes into effect. Note that while the parliament of the EU has approved the proposal, it still needs approval from the council of ministers.

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by JulianMorrison »

adrianN wrote: post #44
JulianMorrison wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There may be a faster fall-off than you'd think, because of feedback effects. Same way film cameras stopped being popular and then you couldn't get the films, or get them developed, so they got more unpopular, repeat until extinct. If fuel stations start closing down and you can't get the parts, it won't matter if fuel cars have decades of good service life ahead.

That is likely true for rich countries, but typically old cars get shipped to poorer countries where they continue to run for another decade or so. The infrastructure there will see good use for a while longer.

It's the oil infrastructure that will affect them, because it's global. If that goes away...

Re: EU vote to ban all sales of combustion engine vehicles by 2035

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Post by dhzhzjsbevs »

tarsinge wrote: post #81
dgellow wrote: post #64

If you have a combustion engine and want to change to electric, who will buy it from you? Or how do you get rid of your old car? There will be basically no demand in Europe. Just wondering what will happen to all these existing cars, it’s nice to know new cars will be electric but what are people supposed to do with their current ones? Lot of them won’t be usable in cities due to low-emission zoning policies. Edit: i…

It's only for new cars and in 2035, buyers have 12 years to see it coming and make informed decisions during that period.

Translation: you've got twelve years to save for a Tesla ya dirty peasant.
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