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Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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The MFG make more money on selling ads to you than you pay for the TV.

This seems high to me. I'd love to see actual numbers on revenue from this type of TV ads.

At least, it's subsidised. Sell a larger TV for less upfront, make it back in ads.

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I happened to be in a in- construction facility being built for a F100 company and saw they were using Samsung "digital signage" TVs for the meeting rooms and lobbies. Fairly certain these TVs will never connect to the internet outside the company firewall so they must be designed for that.

https://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/

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monitors dont have tv channels or hook ups for a lot of peoples cable boxes usually dont have the best (if ant) speakers or a remote either

Lack of TV antenna input can be a good thing if you live in a country that collects extra taxes for having a TV, like Austria, Ireland or Poland, as your screen is not a TV by law. IMHO there isn't much value in TV channels nowadays anyway.

I lived in the UK in the 80's and remember they had TV ads that showed a SWAT team stacking up and then bursting into an apartment, grabbing a guy watching TV on his couch, throwing him on the floor and handcuffing him and then a big banner:

"PAY YOUR TV LICENSE FEES. NOT DOING SO IS A CRIME."

If you've never heard of such a thing: https://www.gov.uk/tv-licence

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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- Sceptre brand dumb TV (lower-end displays, available through Walmart)

- "Monitor" as intended for computers (usually not that large, but this is changing)

- "Commercial display" as intended for restaurants or hotels (often still have some smart features but more controllable; usually fairly expensive). Example https://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-displays

- Projector

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> Maybe you can use the search to find those similar questions. But the answers are probably out of date by now. E.g., my answer about buying a cheapo Spectre from Walmart-- that one has been out of stock for at least two of the several times this topic has been brought up now.

Walmart stocks them during November for shopping season. The sceptre tvs are my go to for large viewing needs. If you are into perfect picture quality, it takes some settings tweaking to get to tolerable but in my opinion is ideal for just normal TV watching and video games.

Ah, I see.

Is it always the same old hardware and software? Because if they suddenly start shipping with AdJank 0.2 you're back to square one.

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I’ve kept my Samsung offline since I purchased it in 2019. I’ve kept my LG offline since I purchased it in 2016. As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

This will work for now, but device manufacturers are working towards building out mesh networks. You may not have connected your TV to the internet, but your neighbor did, and your TV can piggy back on your neighbors connection.

Wonder if anyone here has ever used EMF / EMR paint? If that works as advertised, it maybe could put a stop to undesired mesh networking?

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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The MFG make more money on selling ads to you than you pay for the TV.

This seems high to me. I'd love to see actual numbers on revenue from this type of TV ads.

They'll never share the numbers. But they will swear up and down that they're huge and that nobody would pay for a TV without ads, trust us.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Lack of TV antenna input can be a good thing if you live in a country that collects extra taxes for having a TV, like Austria, Ireland or Poland, as your screen is not a TV by law. IMHO there isn't much value in TV channels nowadays anyway.

I lived in the UK in the 80's and remember they had TV ads that showed a SWAT team stacking up and then bursting into an apartment, grabbing a guy watching TV on his couch, throwing him on the floor and handcuffing him and then a big banner: "PAY YOUR TV LICENSE FEES. NOT DOING SO IS A CRIME." If you've never heard of such a thing: https://www.gov.uk/tv-licence

In Japan, you’re supposed to pay for NHK, so they send old people door to door whose job is to guilt you into paying. I pretended I didn’t speak Japanese and then went back inside for more of that great bilingual nightly news bwahaha

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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I’ve kept my Samsung offline since I purchased it in 2019. I’ve kept my LG offline since I purchased it in 2016. As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

This will work for now, but device manufacturers are working towards building out mesh networks. You may not have connected your TV to the internet, but your neighbor did, and your TV can piggy back on your neighbors connection.

I can see that coming - examples are Amazon's sidewalk project and Apple airtags.

At present, connecting your device is an opt-in since you have to give it wifi creds. In the future, devices will be connected by default and you'll have to opt out if you want to disconnect. Even if you're one of the few people who opt out, devices are going to have fine print that they can always receive "critical" updates via mesh.

Eventually many devices simply assume they are always connected, it's baked into their operation. They'll delegate key features to the cloud and opt-out won't even make sense.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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It's one of the things that doesn't make sense anymore, like cars with manual transmission. Smarts in smart TV might cost $25 per unit, but OEMs get paid for streaming service placements on remote / home screen and a cut of revenue if users sign up. Even without streaming functionality, TV would still need some smarts to display tuner/inputs/settings UI and it's cheaper to develop Android apps than go custom route. P…

"It's one of the things that doesn't make sense anymore, like cars with manual transmission." Lost me already. I enjoy manual transmissions. The function they perform which makes sense anymore is being enjoyable. And I'm allowed to thankyouverymuch. You have confused pointless to you with pointless.

The point is that it doesn’t make as much sense for companies to produce and sell dumb TVs (or manual transmissions), given the economics.

They are not telling consumers what their preferences should be.

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